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TheTruth
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Message 31 of 64 (456688)
02-19-2008 3:05 PM
Reply to: Message 29 by Chiroptera
02-19-2008 2:52 PM


Re: sorry to nag, buttt
but you were wrong

"People call me strange does that make me a stranger
My best friend was born in a manger"

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TheTruth
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Message 32 of 64 (456690)
02-19-2008 3:14 PM
Reply to: Message 30 by Brian
02-19-2008 3:03 PM


Re: sorry to nag, buttt
I apologize, I am new at this being a teen I'm used to IM talk.
Just because you get punished does not mean you are not loved. So you sinned. God can't be with sin thats why he turned from his son Jesus, when he had the sins poured apon him. Okay, you didn't accept Christ your still loved, like a parent that spanks you they don't stop loving you they just must punish you for what you. Did with no punishment what's the point of being good, if there were no laws why would I hold back from killing you?
He didn't atone for his sins he didn't sin otherwise the atonement would be usless we sinned he atoned for us

"People call me strange does that make me a stranger
My best friend was born in a manger"

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Chiroptera
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Message 33 of 64 (456693)
02-19-2008 3:24 PM
Reply to: Message 31 by TheTruth
02-19-2008 3:05 PM


but you were wrong
Well! That settles that once and for all!

If I had a million dollars, I'd buy you a monkey.
Haven't you always wanted a monkey?
-- The Barenaked Ladies

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I-am-created
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Message 34 of 64 (456704)
02-19-2008 4:28 PM
Reply to: Message 20 by Brian
02-19-2008 1:43 PM


The Flood?
I always find it interesting how so many non-believers use The Flood in just about any argument about God. I've seen it quite a number of times on this message board.
quote:
when he slaughtered millions of innocent people during the Flood, then regretted it, He realised just how stupid He was over this sin nonsense
If you're going to be using The Flood in your arguments, you might want to get the story right.
Genesis 6:5 "When the Lord saw how great was man's wickedness on earth, and how no desire that his heart conceived was ever anything but evil..."
This sounds like not so innocent people to me, in fact it sounds as if they are...well...evil.
Secondly, I'm not sure where you come up with the idea that God regretted wiping out everyone in the Flood. But if you are referring to Genesis 8:21 "When the Lord smelled the sweet odor, he said to himself: 'Never again will I doom the earth because of man, since the desires of man's heart are evil from the start; nor will I ever again strike down all living beings, as I have done.'", that isn't saying that he regretted doing it at all. It merely was making a statement or 'covenant' that he will not destroy all life because of the wickedness of man.
Since God had made this covenant with Noah, and we are unable to save ourselves because the desires of our hearts are evil from the start, it was up to God to save us. That's what he did by sending his Son as a sacrifice for the sins of the world.

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TheTruth
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Message 35 of 64 (456706)
02-19-2008 4:44 PM
Reply to: Message 33 by Chiroptera
02-19-2008 3:24 PM


it is finished
hehehe

"People call me strange does that make me a stranger
My best friend was born in a manger"

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I-am-created
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Message 36 of 64 (456708)
02-19-2008 4:51 PM
Reply to: Message 21 by Chiroptera
02-19-2008 1:48 PM


Sin nonsense
quote:
He can quit worry about that sin nonsense and actually love us and accept us for who we are just like any decent parent loves and accepts her children even when they take a different path in life than she originally had hoped for.
Unfortunately, the definition of sin (even Webster's definition) counters your argument.
sin- a.)an offense against God
b.)the condition of being guilty of continued offense against God
Not a bad definition, but I prefer to think of the essence of sin is when we choose things, like things, love things, and do things that show that we do not value God above those things.
As the Fountain of All Holiness, nothing evil can be in the presence of God. Sin, in essence, is rebellion against God, the most heinous crime that you could commit. God is not just 'any decent parent', he is the Holy of Holies, the source of everything that is good. The only way that we can be in God's presence is if we are also holy. That is the work that he sent his Son to do. Though the perfect sacrifice of Christ, our sins on earth are forgiven and the righteousness that Christ achieved is credited to us, so that we can stand before God and be welcomed home. God provided the Way for us to be reconciled with him, but it is the continual stubborness of those who reject him that will prevent you from finding favor with God. God doesn't choose to send you to Hell, you send yourself to Hell by not choosing to accept the sacrifice of Christ.

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Chiroptera
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Message 37 of 64 (456709)
02-19-2008 4:58 PM
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02-19-2008 4:51 PM


Re: Sin nonsense
God is not just 'any decent parent', he is the Holy of Holies....
Tell that to TheTruth. He's the one who tried comparing God's punishment to what parents do.

If I had a million dollars, I'd buy you a monkey.
Haven't you always wanted a monkey?
-- The Barenaked Ladies

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TheTruth
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Message 38 of 64 (456715)
02-19-2008 5:11 PM
Reply to: Message 34 by I-am-created
02-19-2008 4:28 PM


Re: The Flood?
AMEN BROTHER

"People call me strange does that make me a stranger
My best friend was born in a manger"

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Greatest I am
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Message 39 of 64 (456798)
02-20-2008 8:07 AM
Reply to: Message 23 by TheTruth
02-19-2008 2:23 PM


Re: sorry to nag, buttt
They did not kill me.
Regards
DL

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Greatest I am
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Message 40 of 64 (456799)
02-20-2008 8:15 AM
Reply to: Message 34 by I-am-created
02-19-2008 4:28 PM


Re: The Flood?
Did God find wickedness in the hearts of the children and babies as well?
Regards
DL

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TheTruth
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Message 41 of 64 (456819)
02-20-2008 10:14 AM
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02-20-2008 8:15 AM


Re: The Flood?
Acually the babies are given mercy and yes they died because of their parents misjudgements, but when they died they went to heaven just like when a parent abords a child the parents mistake causes the babies death but the baby still goes to heaven

"People call me strange does that make me a stranger
My best friend was born in a manger"

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TheTruth
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Message 42 of 64 (456822)
02-20-2008 10:20 AM
Reply to: Message 37 by Chiroptera
02-19-2008 4:58 PM


Re: Sin nonsense
I was simply using a comparison yes the ratios were different but the concept is the same

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iano
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Posts: 6165
From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland.
Joined: 07-27-2005


Message 43 of 64 (456827)
02-20-2008 10:44 AM
Reply to: Message 37 by Chiroptera
02-19-2008 4:58 PM


Re: Sin nonsense
Chiroptera writes:
Tell that to TheTruth. He's the one who tried comparing God's punishment to what parents do.
You were the one to introduce the parent notion. This was the first reference to it.
Chiroptera writes:
I can. He can quit worry about that sin nonsense and actually love us and accept us for who we are just like any decent parent loves and accepts her children even when they take a different path in life than she originally had hoped for.
You're long enough in the tooth to have heard (more than once) that the Christian position is that people become adopted as children of God - they are not born that way. Notions of being treated like a child before you become a child are a little premature.
Entrapment of a teen?
That's low Chirop...

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Chiroptera
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Message 44 of 64 (456829)
02-20-2008 10:53 AM
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02-20-2008 10:44 AM


Oops.
I guess I did bring it up.
Well, I still maintain, though, that I answered the question which originally interested me.

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iano
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Posts: 6165
From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland.
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Message 45 of 64 (456834)
02-20-2008 11:03 AM
Reply to: Message 44 by Chiroptera
02-20-2008 10:53 AM


Re: Oops.
A better way for God to show his love for you would be to treat you like the child of his you are not?
Sounds like a immovable object / irresistable force moment.

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