How did round planets form from the explosion of the Big Bang?

CS, Yes it does. An example would be with covalent bonds, where charged particles, namely electrons are being shared betwen two different elements to form molecules. You can even say the same thing for hydrogen bonds which is how h20 molecules are held together via electromagnetism which is a form of energy. Point taken. I don't see anything in brownian motion that says it's specifically about random motion of molecules. Although it does direct you to particle physics talking about atomic particles. It does talk about random movement within water molecules but it does not specifically say it's random motion of water molecules either. Can you site a source for this idea you assert? I am knew to this concept sorry..... I already gave it and you responded to my reason so I simply disagreed. Point taken. Actually energy can be a force. Read the first line of that link you provided.

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In physics, the concept of force is used to describe an influence which causes a free massive body to undergo an acceleration.

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Acceleration does attribute to kinetic, gravitational, and even electromagnetic energy. A rock falling is a perfect example of how force is in fact a form of energy. I've realized so much from all this discussion with you, DA, cavediver and Rahvin. What have you learned?Edited by Sasuke, : quoteEdited by Sasuke, : editEdited by Sasuke, : No reason given.Edited by Sasuke, : errors with linkEdited by Sasuke, : edit

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The world does not contain a big enough face or a big enough palm.For one thing, energy and force are measured in incompatible units. You might as well argue that "speed can be a distance". Read it yourself. Note that it does not equate force with energy. That's not even English, much less physics. Why would anyone even think that?

Dr Adequate,Force is acceleration. Acceleration is momentum. Momentum is potential energy. Potential energy is energy.Example, A rock falls to earth and crashes.

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"The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ [be] with you all. Amen."Sasuke!

They are all interrelated properties which describe our universe. They are all not the same. If they were, why would use differnt terminology for them. I am not seeing how your example above proves your premise.

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Oh, I read you as saying that one bit of evergy would form a bond with another bit of energy.Covalent bonds are on a much larger scale (i.e. the sharing of valence electrons) and saying that "energy forms them" is a poor way to phrase it. Are you beginning to see how matter can do work? On the Brownian Motion page you will find a link to 'Random Walk' and under the Applications section you will find the line:

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In physics, random walks are used as simplified models of physical Brownian motion and the random movement of molecules in liquids and gases.

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When I was in college we used computers to simulate random walks by having the body rotate a random number of degrees and then follow a straight path for a random distance, then rotate a random number of degrees and then follow a straight path for a random distance over and over again.Take a look at this gif: Inside a glass of water, the molecules are randomly bouncing around like that. It is not "inanimate". Not really.A force is caused by the acceleration of mass. Energy is not some 'thing' that can accelerate and cause a force.In Message 123 you wrote:

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Force is acceleration. Acceleration is momentum. Momentum is potential energy. Potential energy is energy.

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Acceleration is not momentum. Momentum is mass X velocity. It is not potential energy, but kinetic. I think you're thinking along the lines of energy transfer, whereby potential energy gets transfered into kinetic energy when the rock falls. But a force being a "form of energy" is a poor way to phrase it. Not too much. I learned all this stuff, like, 10 years ago. I'm just trying to explain it to you. I did learn to be careful when discussing both mass and matter to not mix them up in my head while I'm typing.ABE:How old are you?I'm 28.Edited by Catholic Scientist, : No reason given.

I have to concur with Sasuke that Where did the matter and energy come from? is the proper thread for the current discussion. I'm temporarily closing this thread to allow this novel idea to take hold in people's minds.

I don't think the actual topic of this thread has been under discussion for some time, but it was originally about how the solar system formed from the Big Bang.

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Has no one given thought to how time isn't same from every point?
Special relativity may shed light on this.I'd also like to ask why we assume time is linear in all aspects? To say "before the big bang" may indeed to be a stupid thing to say.Edited by DC85, : No reason given.

Wrong.Units of force: kg m s^-2Units of acceleration: m s^-2 Wrong.Units of acceleration: m s^-2Units of momentum: m s^-1 Wrong.Units of momentum: kg m s^-1Units of energy: kg m² s^-2 Right.Apart from that, you might as well be sitting there saying: "Distance is speed. Speed is time. Time is acceleration" for all the sense you're making. What is that meant to be an example of? A non sequitur?Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.

Dr Adequate-DA-CS,again point taken. I suppose that Force is acceleration(mass)(speed^-2). Thanks for pointing out that I was leaving out some variables. I suppose I didn't have a complete picture of force however now I do.Edited by Sasuke, : thanks-cs

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"The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ [be] with you all. Amen."Sasuke!

Umm no. May I suggest you pick up an entry level physics book and read it.
F=ma

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Dr jones,Maybe the real reason why I am not catching on is because abbreviations/varibles are being used. Could you explain it like this... F=M? A? What is M and what is A?

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"The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ [be] with you all. Amen."Sasuke!

Force = mass x acceleration.Perphaps until you get a grasp of high school level physics the big and bang and cosmology forum might be beyond you.

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It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry
Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
*not an actual doctor

You know Sasuke, it would have only taken you two seconds to google the formula for f=ma (force=mass times acceleration).I am not trying to discourage you but I think you are relying too much on people on this forum to do your research for you. If you would put as much effort into researching for yourself in the library and the infinite internet (wikipedia is a good start) as asking junior high level science questions on a high end science forum I think you would find the answers you are looking for.

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One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we've been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We're no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It is simply too painful to acknowledge -- even to ourselves -- that we've been so credulous. - Carl Sagan, The Fine Art of Baloney Detection"You can't convince a believer of anything; for their belief is not based on evidence, it's based on a deep seated need to believe." - Carl Sagan"It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring." - Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World

DrJones,Yah that's what I thought you ment but how do you attribute for speed? I mean aint acceleration really talking about accelerating? Like how fast it is accelerating.. 0-60 in 3 seconds for example.. Shouldn't you attribute this into the equation also? That is why I said F=ams^-2 from dradequates example..

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