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Panda Member (Idle past 3735 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: |
Peter Lamont writes:
Yes - it is an accelerating outward expansion. Panda, I repeat, explosions (Big-Bang) start by accelerating. That's the initial kick.No need to repeat it. I agree - it is an accelerating outward expansion. Peter Lamont writes:
Even if the outward expansion accelerates for just 1 second, it is still an accelerating outward expansion. How long does an explosion last - half a second?This clearly conflicts with your other claim that "Any 'accerlerating expansion' is Inward." Peter Lamont writes:
I've told you what I think: I think your statements are contradictory.
Let me know what you think. As for those statements I made, I stand by them. "explosions (Big-Bang) start by accelerating." contradicts "The only kind of expansion that accelerates is Inward." I don't know how to make it any clearer. Edited by Panda, : No reason given."There is no great invention, from fire to flying, which has not been hailed as an insult to some god." J. B. S. Haldane
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Peter Lamont Member (Idle past 3964 days) Posts: 147 Joined: |
JonF, Because I use these 'experiments' to show that any 'accelerating expansion' is Inward, you say they have no relation to my thesis, that we are going in, not out. In my opinion, I have shown that any 'accelerating expansion' is Inward. I have satudied these 'accelerating expansions' and I know about ten (10) of them, all Inward. If you knew about them, these 'accelerating expansions,' you'd soon see they have to be Inward.
Outward expansions all slow down and stop. Do you agree?
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Peter Lamont Member (Idle past 3964 days) Posts: 147 Joined: |
Nobody, not even you, Catholic Scientist, can see beyond the Observable Universe (OU). Do you agree or disagree?
Yes, I understand. Air on the left will be moving towards the air on the right, Confining things to fixed volumes can give unexpected results, but the room is not air-tight, in fact it has no roof. Air moving towards the nozzle will lose pressure, I'm sure you can see that - and in this case anyway, that's expansion. When you're in an expanding situation, with limited visibility, all you're going to see is things moving away from you. Do YOU understand? In a vortex, all you will sense is that you are accelerating. That will cause you to lose pressure and expand, With limited vision, all you will see is things moving away from you, You might detect that the expansion is accelerating, as it would be.
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
This theory breaks no Laws. You call these Laws, 'Belly-Farts', that's your opinion, of course. It tells me more about you, No Nukes, First, your nonsense does not constitute a theory. Secondly, I haven't called the laws of physics belly-farts. That term refers to your extrapolation of those laws into dissimilar situations. Thirdly, I could not care less about your opinion of me. Density of a location in empty space is the highest average density of a system? That's an indefensible belly fart.
Ozymandias level hubris? That's supposed to be clear? I don't think so! It's clear. I have provided you with the poet's name. I think the average person could have found the poem by now. Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I would say here something that was heard from an ecclesiastic of the most eminent degree; ‘That the intention of the Holy Ghost is to teach us how one goes to heaven, not how the heaven goes.’ Galileo Galilei 1615. If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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JonF Member (Idle past 190 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
I have satudied these 'accelerating expansions' and I know about ten (10) of them, all Inward. I don't care if you've got a billion of them. Your unjustified extrapolation to the Universe is the problem.
Outward expansions all slow down and stop. Do you agree?. I can't, since for the Universe we don't know. The Universe is wildly different form the "experiments" you've listed, and there's no reason to believe it acts like any of those "experiments".
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Percy Member Posts: 22480 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
Are you crazy, Peter? You can tell me.
--Percy
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Taq Member Posts: 10045 Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
This is the 'Mable Theory,' Mable being the Mother of All Black hoLEs. Mable has the most attractive body in the Universe - the black hole at the center nof the Universe. Where is this center, and how far away is it?
Any accelerating expansion is inward; Expansion, by definition, means outward. You are using an oxymoron. If galaxies were moving inward then we would see a blue shift. We don't. We see the exact opposite which is a red shift, and that redshift increases with distance AND time demonstrating that galaxies are moving apart faster with time, not inward towards a central point or towards each other.
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Taq Member Posts: 10045 Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
We are going in, not out. If we are going in then other galaxies should be coming towards us causing a blue shift. We don't see that. We see a red shift meaning that those galaxies are moving away from us, outwards.
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Taq Member Posts: 10045 Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
Air moving towards the nozzle will lose pressure, I'm sure you can see that Air molecules moving towards each other from around the mozzle will produce a blue shift. Again, the shift in the frequency of light has nothing to do with air pressure. It has to do with the relative velocity between two points. Two planes coming towards each other will produce a blue shift. Two planes moving away from each other will produce a red shift. It has nothing to do with any barometric pressure changes that might occur between or around the planes.
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Peter Lamont Member (Idle past 3964 days) Posts: 147 Joined: |
Panda, Outward Expansions start with an initial kick - they start by accelerating. After the initial kick, the acceleration they started with, they slow down and eventually stop.
The only kind of expansion that accelerates and keeps accelerating is Inward.\ Is that clear enough for you? Can you see beyond the Observable Universe?
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Peter Lamont Member (Idle past 3964 days) Posts: 147 Joined: |
Okay, No Nukes, you continue to misquote me - well that's your business, but I don't like it. Any 'accelerating expansion' is Inward. We are going in.
That's why our expansion is accelerating. If there was nothing there at the center of mass of the Universe, our Rate of Acceleration would decline all the way to the center where we would no longer be accelerating. The moment we passed the center, we would start to deccelerate. Everything I read tells me that our Rate of Acceleration is Increasing, and that can only mean a black hole.
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Peter Lamont Member (Idle past 3964 days) Posts: 147 Joined: |
JonF, All Outward Expansions slow down and stop. Saying Anti-Gravity is pushing the Universe apart is ridiculous. The same laws apply here on Earth as apply in the Universe. If any 'accelerating expansion' is Inward on Earth, it's Inward in Space too.
Why not extrapolate? I was a teacher for years and we were taught to explain difficult concepts by easy ones. Your Universe is backwards. You look back to a Big-Bang. My theory is forward looking - all about where we're going. In the end you will suit yourself, I'm sure.
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Peter Lamont Member (Idle past 3964 days) Posts: 147 Joined: |
Panda, Outward Expansions start with an initial kick - they start by accelerating. After the initial kick, the acceleration they started with, they slow down and eventually stop.
The only kind of expansion that accelerates and keeps accelerating is Inward.\ Is that clear enough for you? Can you see beyond the Observable Universe?
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Peter Lamont Member (Idle past 3964 days) Posts: 147 Joined: |
No, Percy - I'm not. I just don't believe in Anti-Gravity. I believe in Gravity alone, running the Universe.
Something I never asked you, Percy. Can you see beyond the Observable Universe?
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Panda Member (Idle past 3735 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: |
Peter Lamont writes:
Yes - it is an accelerating outward expansion. Outward Expansions start with an initial kick - they start by accelerating. It is an outward expansion, yes?And it is accelerating, yes? Therefore....it is an....accelerating outward expansion, yes? The outward expansion is accelerating, yes? Peter Lamont writes:
But if you listen to what Peter Lamont and I have been saying: "Outward Expansions ... they start by accelerating." you will see that both inward AND outward expansions accelerate. The only kind of expansion that accelerates and keeps accelerating is Inward. Is that clear enough for you?"There is no great invention, from fire to flying, which has not been hailed as an insult to some god." J. B. S. Haldane
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