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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I was very clear that ONLY in a theocracy would it make sense to apply that command, but I was not completely sure about whether it would apply even in that case now that Jesus has come.
But we aren't a theocracy and there is NO doubt in my mind that there's no way to apply such a law in this case. {Edit: Besides, your idea that any individual could just go kill witches is false. The context of the laws in the Bible was the legally constituted justice system of Israel.} Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes: The context of the laws in the Bible was the legally constituted justice system of Israel. You quoted, "Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed", as a justification for capital punishment. But in Noah's time there was no Israel, nor any theocracy. There were only individuals to uphold the "law". Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
There was always community. And the laws that God later gave Israel were simply codifications of what was already known by the righteous, which included the restraints of determining evidence and seeking the safety of many counselors.
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ramoss Member (Idle past 612 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: |
This is one case where not understanding the hebrew can show errors in
thinking. THe term 'Evil' in Isaiah 45:7 is the exact term that is used in Genesis for the 'tree of knowledge of good and evil'. Again, your interpretation is reading into the words, rather than reading the words that are written.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I trust the official translators over an amateur student of Hebrew.
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes: There was always community. And there is community now, so the same should apply.
... the restraints of determining evidence and seeking the safety of many counselors. Which we do not have today, so capital punishment should not apply. (But we have another thread on selective application of the law, don't we?) Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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ramoss Member (Idle past 612 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: |
RIGHT.
So, rabbi's are 'amature steudent's of hebrew'. I get it. The Jewish people don't know their own scripture, they have to go ask an evangalistic Christian. The term used in Genesis 2;9, in Isaiah 7:15, and in Isaiah 45:7 all is the word 'ra'. It means 'moral evil'. If you are honest, you can use the information I provided to confirm what I said is accurate. Somehow, I don't think that will happen. Edited by ramoss, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
'Twas you who said the Hebrew made the difference. You quoted no rabbis. And any Bible translater has to know Hebrew quite well. And yes, the rabbis half the time haven't a clue about their own scripture. Totally in the dark.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Yes, we have community now and more than community, we have a justice system, and yes of course the same should apply. We should have the death penalty for murder.
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ramoss Member (Idle past 612 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: |
Shrug. You didn't quote anybody either.
You are a good example of the binary 'I AM TOTALLYI RIGHT AND ANYBODY WHO DISAGREES WITH ME IS DENYING SCRIPTURE' mentality of the fundamentalist.. but that is just about it.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
Ever hear of John Paul Jackson?
He predicted Katrina, others have been shown by God about destruction. But mabye those messages are for us alone, and to be told before it happens. After the fact is pretty much pointless, and ignored by unbelievers.
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sidelined Member (Idle past 5908 days) Posts: 3435 From: Edmonton Alberta Canada Joined: |
Faith
Yet the men who write the bible, because you agree with their point of view, are exempt from the fallibility of intellect you claim all men have.Refering back to a point you made here,
There's no conflict to one who submits to the Bible as written with trust in the God who wrote it. there is, of course, no conflict because you accept without question because it resonates with your feelings and your beliefs. What you accept outright by submission by definition requires that you not question its standards nor dispute its findings. Here we have an example of you failing to realize that you consider yourself exempt from the fallibility of error also, for no other reason than you consider the bible and God to be correct. This is a poor sort of a standard for belief in my eyes. Edited by sidelined, : No reason given.
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Coragyps Member (Idle past 734 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: |
it is therefore directly saying that it is God who brings all the disasters on the world. He really is a spiteful bastard, isn't he?
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Ever hear of John Paul Jackson? He predicted Katrina, others have been shown by God about destruction. But mabye those messages are for us alone, and to be told before it happens. After the fact is pretty much pointless, and ignored by unbelievers. Come on, get serious. The important part is not some vague after the fact claim that something someone said was a prophecy, but rather the hard cold scientific models that showed Katrina was not just likely but damn near certain. You live by your prophets, I'll take the National Weather Service anyday. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
He predicted Katrina, others have been shown by God about destruction. But mabye those messages are for us alone, and to be told before it happens. After the fact is pretty much pointless, and ignored by unbelievers. "Then they shall know that I am the LORD, when I have made the land a desolation for all the abominations that they have committed." Ezekiel 33:29. Edit:Who shall know? Those who now don't know of course. Not believers. Know what? "That I am the LORD." Fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom. When will they know this? AFTER God has made the land a desolation. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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