Bush Senior Hates Atheists

I was shocked today to discover this quote from George Bush Sr.:

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I don't know that Atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered patriots. This is one nation under God.

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President George H. W. Bush (the First), during an August 27, 1987 interview by Rob Sherman

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When this was said, I guess I didn't notice, being only 7 after all. But now I'm shocked and dismayed to find that we have a president who grew up in a house hearing this nonsense.Christians, your thoughts. Is this a Christian thing to say?

http://homepage.mac.com/drbillmartin/rssl/quotes/bush.htmlWhile not a member of the group you are seeking an answer from, I wanted to bring up a quote from the current GB... Dubya and his cronies are following in Daddy's footprints very well. While giving lip service to separation of church and state, and the ideal of freedom of religion, they are, in reality saying "you are free to follow any religion (or lack thereof) as long as it is Chrisianity."Error 404 ~~~ www.Lipsio.com/gainesvillehumanists/quotes.htm not found------------------
Asgara
"An unexamined life is not worth living" Socrates via Plato

Whatever. This atheist hates the Bush family. Fair's fair.

Oh man I thought that quote was common knowledge. I'll try and dig up some other juicy quotes by the Bush's n Ashcroft.How about Lieberman at the arab american hosted "debates" a month back, where he said that there was no war with Islam, and that all Americans are the children of Abraham?------------------
holmes

Ashcroft? This is probably him at his most extreme:http://www.kentucky.com/mld/mercurynews/3381778.htmMissouri state Sen. Harry Wiggins, for one, recalls a meeting with Ashcroft and a group of Kansas City community leaders when he was governor. The group had tried for months to see the governor about funding to keep open Kansas City's only hospice for AIDS patients.As the meeting began, Wiggins recalled, Ashcroft appeared uninterested until he focused on the facility being a ``home,'' not a hospital.``Then you have my attention,'' the governor said, according to Wiggins. ``I'm looking for where it is cheapest to send them to die.''Wiggins said, ``Governor, that's not what we're here for. These are human beings.'' Ashcroft replied, ``Their pain and suffering is a result of their own misconduct.''-------------------Let's see... what's Bush's best, he has so many... Oh! Before I forget, I should reference this, to frame this discussion in context. This article is so disturbing on so many levels - a Harpers reporter goes underground in a group called "The Family", which is a fundamentalist Christian organiztaion involving a good number of US leaders:Jesus Plus Nothing: Undercover among America's Secret Theocrats------------------
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Everyone please read the Harper's link rei has. I read it a while back and it was chilling. I'm not sure why I never thought of posting a link to it here.That Ashcroft quote was new to me and definitely points to what an asshole he is. Ahhh but there are other goodies in that basketcase, especially in regard to what religion Americans are.------------------
holmes

I think I'm going to be sick... That article is the scariest thing I've read all year...

Ashcroft:"Civilized people -- Muslims, Christians and Jews -- all understand that the source of freedom and human dignity is the Creator.""We are a nation called to defend freedom -- a tradition that is not a grant of any government or document, but is an endowment from God.""(The US war on terrorism is) a defense of our right to make moral choices, to seek fellowship with God that is chosen and not commanded."
- (all above from a speech to a group of Christian broadcasters, February 18, 2002... you can find entire speech as a release on his government website)"If America is to be great in the future, it will be if we understand that our source is not civic and temporal, but our source is godly and eternal."
- Bob Jones University, May 8 1999George W:"Government can write checks, but it can't put hope in people's hearts, or a sense of purpose in people's lives. That is done by people who have heard a call and who act on faith and are willing to share in that faith. And I'm not talking about a particular religion -- I'm talking about all religions under the Almighty God."
- Apr 11 2002 (in support of his faith based gov. programs)"America is a nation that is -- a nation that values our relationship with an Almighty. Declaration of God in the Pledge of Allegiance doesn't violate rights. As a matter of fact, it's a confirmation of the fact that we received our rights from God, as proclaimed in our Declaration of Independence. I -- I believe that it points up the fact that we need common-sense judges who understand that our rights were derived from God. And those are the kind of judges I intend to put on the bench."
- June 7 2002"It means that we unleash the faith-based programs to help change people's hearts, which will help change their lives."
- June 17 2002"We can achieve peace -- we can achieve peace -- by being strong and diligent, reminding people of the great, God-given values that are important to all humanity"
- Aug 23 2002"We never seek to impose our culture, or our form of government. We just want to live under those universal values, GOD GIVEN values. We believe in the demands of human dignity that apply in every culture in every nation."
- Oct 11, 2002"And we want Russia to be a country based upon the values which we share, because we believe those values are the best values for the human condition of everybody. I like to tell people, freedom is not an American gift. Freedom is a gift from the Almighty God. And I firmly believe that."
- Nov 21 2002"Well, first of all, you got to understand some of my view on freedom, it's not American's gift to the world. See, freedom is God -- is God given."
- Nov 23 2002 (He continued to use variations of this phrase to explain why we had to attack Iraq... apparently to spread God's gift. crusades anyone?)"And we base it, our history, and our decision making, our future, on solid values. The first value is, we're all God's children."
- July 16 2003Can you feel the love?------------------
holmes

Ashcroft was only following in the wake of Reagan:"Maybe the Lord brought down this plague, because illicit sex is against the Ten Commandments."------------------
Rrhain
WWJD? JWRTFM!

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Christians, your thoughts. Is this a Christian thing to say?

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"I tell you the truth, no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again." -JesusJohn 3:3This is Prophecyexclaimed, new name.

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I was shocked today to discover this quote from George Bush Sr.:

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I don't know that Atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered patriots. This is one nation under God.
President George H. W. Bush (the First), during an August 27, 1987 interview by Rob Sherman

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When this was said, I guess I didn't notice, being only 7 after all. But now I'm shocked and dismayed to find that we have a president who grew up in a house hearing this nonsense.

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Christians, your thoughts. Is this a Christian thing to say?

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Wow, it is very hateful. Christians are taught to accept people. Being around athiests is a great thing in the Christian perspective, chances to help people get to heaven whether they want the gift or not.------------------
"I tell you the truth, no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again." -JesusJohn 3:3This is Prophecyexclaimed, new name.

ReiI do not lose sleep over people like this since their have been far greater zealots on the planet before and they too are dust and humanity survived. I suppose I find it to be tragic really that such men can isolate themselves from the world so effectively.This is all the more reason for forums such as this to remain available.

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Being around athiests is a great thing in the Christian perspective, chances to help people get to heaven whether they want the gift or not.

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You really think this quote comes off better than Bush's quote?I thought Xtianity was about a personal connection to God and NOT bothering everyone else about their beliefs and ultimate fate.Freedom and diversity provide an opportunity for meaningful discourse and that is wonderful. Imposition of your self-professed "gift" on others, whether they want it or not, is sick. In fact it is the very problem we are dealing with all over the world.------------------
holmes

This is great stuff LOL, you seem totally oblivious to the FACT that this type of arrogance distances atheist even further from taking Xianity seriously.Also, the vast majority of Xians that I debate with on the Net and in e-mails, and also the vast majority of popular Xian websites such as AiG, make Xianity into a laughing stock.I think if a Xian wants to evangelise and 'help people get into heaven whether they want the gift or not'
then perhaps these Xians should learn a littel more about life and raise their level of general knowledge.People such as Hovind, Gish, Morris, Baugh, and even some of the xians poster's here, are taken by atheists to be representative of the Xian faith and these peole are little more than morons. How could you blame an objective observer of forums like this for thinking that Xians and Xianity are ludicrous.How many times do we hear arguments like the moon dust means the earth is young, how many times do we hear, if man evolved from apes why are there still apes, Darwin recanted on his deathbed, the shrinking sun, the harmony of the bible text is amazing even thought it has been brought together by editors and hand picked, archaeology confirms everything in the Bible, I could go on, but all these things have been reduced to nonsense so many times it is like banging your head off a wall!Why do Xians never ever research these things before they plaster them all over a forum and make total an utter fools of themselves and their faith. What short circuits in their brains that makes them think that, for example, IF Darwin did recant on his death bed then that somehow invalidates evolution? Their desparation is crystal clear.Finally, Iron Man, how many atheists have had their views of Xianity confirmed or even made stronger by being around Xians? I can tell you something for nothing, if I ever 'mixed' with Xians who use some of the arguments that I have found on this forum and others, I would actually feel quite smug and content that I had abandoned Xianity 20 years ago, so when you evangelise just be aware that you may be doing more damage than good Brian.

I'm sure you meant to add, Brain, that you understand that those who post such silly stuff here are not representative of Christianity in general.I, for one, have very good friends who are good examples of caring, knowledgable and thinking Christians. If it was possible for me to change my why of thinking about the universe they would be the ones who would have a chance.Of course, in discussions with them about this kind of thing they also are dismayed (much more than you or I) at the damage done by the folks you have listed off.