The Resonance of Spirit

Disclaimer: I'm not stating fact here, I'm not an audio engineer, this is just something I've noticed.Seems like all over the world, and all through out history, there have been many different kinds of spiritual music. Some examples would be: Sacred Harp singing, Gregorian Chants, Native American song/dance, etc.I seperate these from singing hymns (or Christian Rock for that matter) because people engaged in these activities have reported spiritual experiences.The important thing here is "people engaged in", not "listening to".One thing I've noticed about many of these is they seem to be loud and low frequency. They all sound kind of like the Ohm from meditation.I know that some believe this is the "sound of the universe", but I want to raise a question here.Is it possible that the "spiritual experiences" people are having while engaging in this low frequency chanting / humming / singing and a manifestation of the vibrations effect on the brain?The skull is basically a fluid filled box wrapped around the brain. The chanting can't help but cause vibration and that vibration would certainly effect the brain.An interesting test might be to strap someone in a chair, stick some high power headphones on them and run some low frequencies.Could it be that humanity is essentially tricking itself into "spiritual experiences" that would otherwise be written off?I know that many in the "Bible belt" wouldn't consider Native American peyote use to be a true path to God. But, if the vibrations also induce hallucinations, what's the difference?Thoughts? Facts?

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This is the first time I have ever seen such an idea. I'll look more into this. I'll even go around asking some profs who specialize in the brain around here.This idea is very interesting.

When Dr Newman took MRI's of various religious people that could induce spiritual experiances in themselves, mediatoin , prayer, and such were used, and several of the people claimed that music/hymms made their experiances easier to get, and more intense.If you look at some of the trances they have in celebrations in asia ,and tailand, rythemic beating of the drums is part of their ceremonies.

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Is it possible that the "spiritual experiences" people are having while engaging in this low frequency chanting / humming / singing and a manifestation of the vibrations effect on the brain?

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Looks as if you are trying to belittle spiritual experiences that may effect the lives of people around the world to insignificant effects on the brain.Oh that? That's not divine, that's just some guy banging on your door. That sucks.

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I noticed that many types of spiritual music sound remarkably alike. I suggest that that is more than a coincendence.If the end result is that these spiritual experiences are revealed to be vibration enduced hallucinations, sobeit.Does that belittle the experiences? That's up to the person who experiences them.Are peyote enduced hallucinations non-spiritual? Certainly the Native American Church believes they are. Maybe you don't.It's true that as we come to understand the causes of experiences they often move from the realm of magic into the realm of reality.Seizures used to be caused by demonic possession. Either the demons stopped coming, or we discovered epilepsy.If I were an epileptic, I'd be pretty happy we have a better understanding of reality now.

The supernatural is defined as relative to the individual. For some of us, it has been experienced and is a proven absolute. For others, it is always explainable by other means. The verdict is far from conclusive. Everything in life is not explainable and no wise man assumes anything to be impossible.You are right about music, however. There is a phenomenon that was discovered which was the exact opposite beat of the human heart. One song that has this beat is "Let me Roll It" by Wings. The bass has the exact opposite beat of a human heart and causes all sorts of weird effects.This message has been edited by Phatboy, 08-27-2005 02:51 AM

Phatboy What is a "proven absolute" ? What is the opposite of a human heart beat and how was this determined? I am familiar with the song and I like the beat but I cannot recall any weird effects.Perthaps you could clarify?

I don't recall the term used...I think it was something like "stopped syncopation" or something like that. The heart goes Lub Dub, with an emphasis on the "Dub". The beat goes Boom, ba ba ba ba ba Boom with an emphasis on the "Lub" rather than the "Dub"....or something like that. This is all I have found so far....An absolute truth is still relative to the individual but is a definite absolute within that individuals beliefs.This message has been edited by Phatboy, 08-27-2005 10:55 AM

Phatboy Does this mean then that absolute truths are different from one person to another? What if a belief modifies to accomodate new information about the world, does the absolute truth also modify?P.S. I understand about the heart beat statement by the by.This message has been edited by sidelined, Sun, 2005-08-28 12:19 AM

I have said "no" to this before, but I am rethinking it. Say, for example, that you and I both met Jay Leno. He would absolutely be Jay leno to both you and I...yet each of us would have different recollections of him and perspectives from him. Thus, Jay Leno would be a different person to you than he was to me. Perhaps Jesus would play out the same way, but maybe not. If Jesus is God incarnate with an absolute Spirit, we would both experience our epiphany in similar ways. We also would have different reactions as well. Thus, I have no definite answer for you to this question.

Phatboy Yes but we would agree that he was Jay Leno without quibble.However god is not Jay Leno.{I am certain god would be much funnier.Hell ,satan would be much funnier}My issue is with the use of the term absolute as though it were not only immutable but universal.Once established it could not be undone.

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"One is punished most for ones virtues" Fredrick Neitzche

Kind of a proof af what prayer, or more correctly expressing love to someone, and soothing music can do to people. Of course its all relative to who we are, what we consider to be these things. Christian rock for some, hymns for others. The mistake people make is not realizing that whats good for us, may not be good for another, God made us individuals, and it's up to us to respect that.Check out these web sites, to see the effect of music, and prayer on water.
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Wow, talk about missing the point.I glanced at the prayer water page. It occurs to me that "no two snowflakes are the same", kind of makes you wonder about these "experiments"