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Mammuthus Member (Idle past 6497 days) Posts: 3085 From: Munich, Germany Joined: |
I see, your tactic is to claim that anybody that asks you to support your claims with evidence is insulting you and you will not respond? As to your evidence...what is the evidence that it is the word of god?
The testable hypothesis and supporting evidence would be nice...looking forward.
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Bailey Member (Idle past 4392 days) Posts: 574 From: Earth Joined: |
Hi DC,
If you really want to how someone was touched by the "Holy Spirit", you might consider going to a church and sincerely asking somebody to tell you about their experience (straight from the horses mouth). Maybe you have a family member who "believes" who you could ask. Witnessing in a debate forum seems ridiculous. Also, the majority of people I've ever spoken with about their "Holy Spirit" encounter agreeably "asked the Holy Spirit into their hearts". Have you ever done this?
and you can't say Because you had faith Because thats the reason you have faith. Please explain this to me
What came first the chicken or the egg......... ------------------"Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes. That way, when you criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes."
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nator Member (Idle past 2191 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: But what about the people who as Allah into their hearts, or Ganesh, or the Goddess? What about the people who have just as powerful a spiritual experience but just not a Christian one? How does an outside observer know which person to believe when all any of them have is a personal anecdote and nothing more?
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Bailey Member (Idle past 4392 days) Posts: 574 From: Earth Joined: |
But what about the people who as Allah into their hearts, or Ganesh, or the Goddess? What about the people who have just as powerful a spiritual experience but just not a Christian one? So, what about the people who have asked Allah, Christ, RA or any entity into their hearts. If they choose to do so, it is their decision and if they have a life transforming spiritual encounter/experience it is not your(our) place to judge them... categorically or as individuals. Moreover, the original post depicted DC85 asking prophecyexclaimed
how where you touched by the Holy spirit? I would really like to know. how come I haven't? and you can't say Because you had faith Because thats the reason you have faith. Please explain this to me... You have my apologies but, in the spirit of defence, when DC85 made reference to the Holt spirit one could only assume he was referring to the same Holy Spirit occuring over and over again in the Judeo-Christian texts(i.e. the holy trinity); being as he asked prophecyexclaimed. ------------------"Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes. That way, when you criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes."
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Quetzal Member (Idle past 5894 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: |
Tsk tsk. prophecyexclaimed has stated openly, unequivocally, and explicitly that he is merely here to Witness. He isn't here to debate or discuss. Remember that "witnessing" is something especially prevalent among a small minority of millenial Christian Reconstructionist neo-Protestant cults (ya know, the ones who are always burbling on about the imminence of the Rapture, etc), and that it is utterly verbotten for them to question another's Witness. It...simply...isn't...done. Altho' I agree with weary's question as to the utility of so doing on a discussion board, you should be ashamed of yourself for forgetting this key element of their whole experience.
The only thing you can do with people of that ilk is to say, "Yes. Thank you very much. That was very, erm, informative." Then back away from them carefully - sort of like what you'd do with a potentially unstable explosive device. What you NEVER do is question the fundamental premise of the Witness, or worse, question the validity or reality of the experience. Now, don't you feel just the teensiest bit contrite, here?
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nator Member (Idle past 2191 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Where do you get that I was judging anyone? I was using the non-exclusivity of the Christian life-altering spiritual experience as a means to illustrate the problem of how one can tell which religion is the right one. I mean, they ALL are having these powerful experiences, and most of these religions, particularly Christianity, claim to be the One True Faith(TM). They can't ALL be right, but if they all can produce these powerful experiences in people, then it becomes impossible to figure out which one is correct. Stalemate.
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nator Member (Idle past 2191 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Nope. LOL!
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Bailey Member (Idle past 4392 days) Posts: 574 From: Earth Joined: |
Where do you get that I was judging anyone? I was using the non-exclusivity of the Christian life-altering spiritual experience as a means to illustrate the problem of how one can tell which religion is the right one. I mean, they ALL are having these powerful experiences, and most of these religions, particularly Christianity, claim to be the One True Faith(TM). Apologies...appeared, in context, as the witness for Jesus was being set apart from the bunch. Often if one has been set apart from another, a particular decision(judgement) has been made.
They can't ALL be right, but if they all can produce these powerful experiences in people, then it becomes impossible to figure out which one is correct. Stalemate. Your left with:
It's a shot in the dark once faith is removed from the picture, whether Atheist or Catholic or regardless of ones preference or belief. poke & hope Love,weary ------------------"Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes. That way, when you criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes." |
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Bailey Member (Idle past 4392 days) Posts: 574 From: Earth Joined: |
In summary, Christianity is not quite so weak that it needs to be validated.
------------------love, weary "Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes. That way, when you criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes."
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DC85 Member Posts: 876 From: Richmond, Virginia USA Joined: |
What came first the chicken or the egg?
This is an Easy one! The Egg Because the creature that layed the first True Chicken wasn't a Chicken
Hi DC, HAHAHAHAHAHAHA My friend you seem to think all atheist/agnostics have Never been Deep in Faith in God in their lives. You need to get rid of this idea in your Head. I was raised Catholic and had 100% faith in God. I have asked(back then) for the Holy Spirit to come into my heart. But he didn't want to I guess I am ugly or something. Or he missed me.. oh well...If you really want to how someone was touched by the "Holy Spirit", you might consider going to a church and sincerely asking somebody to tell you about their experience (straight from the horses mouth). Maybe you have a family member who "believes" who you could ask. Witnessing in a debate forum seems ridiculous. Also, the majority of people I've ever spoken with about their "Holy Spirit" encounter agreeably "asked the Holy Spirit into their hearts". Have you ever done this? Have you ever literally looked at the Bible? its a Joke to me in major areas. things don't make sense alot of it seems to tell me of an Evil a sadistic God... if you Look you can find it to. However I have never once said there isn't a God I just think IF there is we Know nothing(0%) about it (that again is if)
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Bailey Member (Idle past 4392 days) Posts: 574 From: Earth Joined: |
DC85 writes:
I see a glimmer of hope...er, I mean open mindedness. Have you ever literally looked at the Bible? its a Joke to me in major areas. things don't make sense alot of it seems to tell me of an Evil a sadistic God... if you Look you can find it to. However I have never once said there isn't a God I just think IF there is we Know nothing(0%) about it (that again is if)Chances are, if there is a God, it's one of the three most popular. ------------------love, weary "Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes. That way, when you criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes."
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DC85 Member Posts: 876 From: Richmond, Virginia USA Joined: |
I see a glimmer of hope...er, I mean open mindedness. yeah its called an Agnostic not all Evolutionist are Atheist. for your Information all Evolutionists(well most) are open minded thats why they are Evolutionist. Very Few of us are Raised into it.Chances are, if there is a God, it's one of the three most popular. so I should just pick one and hope I picked the right one? the one that isn't going to damn or condem me? how do I know which it is? how come they don't show them selves? Am I not good enough for them? you still haven't answered me why hasn't the Holy spirit touched me? [This message has been edited by DC85, 08-28-2003]
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MrHambre Member (Idle past 1415 days) Posts: 1495 From: Framingham, MA, USA Joined: |
quote:I think in the future, you should abide by Forum guidelines and attribute quotes from others. This is lifted directly from Hans Kung's 1992 draft for the Parliament of the World's Religions of a Declaration Toward a Global Ethic. I'm surprised no one caught it before I did. ------------------I would not let the chickens cross the antidote road because I was already hospitlized for trying to say this!-Brad McFall
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Bailey Member (Idle past 4392 days) Posts: 574 From: Earth Joined: |
MrHambre writes: I think in the future, you should abide by Forum guidelines and attribute quotes from others. This is lifted directly from Hans Kung's 1992 draft for the Parliament of the World's Religions of a Declaration Toward a Global Ethic.
Imagine that...I mean, what are the chances of 14 different commonly used words being phrased twice in exactly the same sentence structure. To convey a similar message, at that. It is nearly impossible. Seriously, what is the probability of that happening even once in appr. 4015 days on a planet with only 6,314,488,938 people.I'm sorry,it's just not realistic, that's allI'm tryin' to...... Like the ol' sayin' goes, weary minds think alike.........no offence Hans Kung ------------------love, weary "Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes. That way, when you criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes."
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DC85 Member Posts: 876 From: Richmond, Virginia USA Joined: |
think you may have just heard it someplace before???? anyway please answer my questions
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