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NosyNed Member Posts: 8996 From: Canada Joined: |
No, it doesn't. The possibility does not exist. I'm not sure, Rrhain, that that is strictly true. It seems to me that there is some non zero chance that they could have started up with the same style just by chance. Of course, this occuring in any one of the cases is astronomically small. To have occured all over the world is astronomically small squared ! Is that the answer we are given? It could happen by chance? It could happen over and over? It is astonishing what someone can say with a straight face.
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Rrhain Member Posts: 6351 From: San Diego, CA, USA Joined: |
NosyNed responds to me:
quote:quote: With regard to music? How on eath can one possibly learn diatonic music without having been introduced to it at some point? If you ask somebody who has never been introduce to any formal style of music, has never heard any musician anywhere, to come up with a structure of music, he isn't going to develop diatonic Major scales. The only way to get that is to have someone teach it to you. And the way it is taught to you is by example. You cannot learn Western music without being exposed to it. Each piece of music becomes something to emulate and vary. You will develop your own style, of course, but it will always and forever be influenced by the music you were exposed to as you were learning your craft. Now, I'm not saying that this comes down to the smallest detail. That is, I'm not saying there is nothing new under the sun and the only reason a composer would come up with E-A-B is because he was steeped in the "holy trinity of rock." I'm talking about large-scale structure. We would naturally expect smaller parts of a musical piece, even though identical, to be arrived at independently. But nobody is going to re-write "Stairway to Heaven" all on his own without having heard the original. That's one of the ways we know when the kiddies are cheating on their essay: They turn in the same sentences. Despite the fact that the entire class is generally drawing from the same set of facts, they would only develop identical large scale structure if they were copying from somewhere else. Rrhain WWJD? JWRTFM!
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ramoss Member (Idle past 612 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: |
It's obvious.
GODDIDIT
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Cold Foreign Object  Suspended Member (Idle past 3048 days) Posts: 3417 Joined: |
They were Jewish, after all, living on the Western shores of the Mediterranean. Throughout the entire narrative of Genesis up to that point, there is no mention of any civilization outside of the Fertile Crescent area. "Jews" did not exist until the era of the divided Kingdoms/post Solomon c.930 BC. The word does not appear in scripture until 2Kings 16 which is still much later. Your description of "they were Jewish" and placement of this non-existant race in the "Genesis narrative" is an impossibility separated by over 2000 years.
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Cold Foreign Object  Suspended Member (Idle past 3048 days) Posts: 3417 Joined: |
Lysimachus:
Please go forward with your stated plan as the topic creator is refuted by his ignorant assumption of when the Jewish race began. We need a wider Flood topic as this one is too narrow. WT Edit: Surely you cannot defend Wyatt's Mt. Moriah/crucifixion blood dripping on the Ark nonsense ? This message has been edited by WILLOWTREE, 09-13-2004 09:07 PM
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joshua221  Inactive Member |
quote: The similarity exists inside the individual, the Human element which ties us all together. Possibility. No Yes No Yes. Whatever no use of continuation is there? But I am still unsure about the time, I mean your figure cannot be precise (exact) can it? "Wake up, O sleeper, rise from the dead, and Christ will shine on you." Ephesians 5:14
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
But I am still unsure about the time, I mean your figure cannot be precise (exact) can it? It doesn't have to be precise. The Jomon pottery style lasted from about 14,000BC right up to around 300 BC. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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Rrhain Member Posts: 6351 From: San Diego, CA, USA Joined: |
prophex responds to me:
quote: Why not? Are you saying that archaeologists are so poorly trained that they are incapable of coming up with dates? That the entire field is based upon fraudulent practices? That they're just making things up out of whole cloth? It isn't like anybody is saying that this particular piece was started on July 24 and finished on October 12, 2734 BCE. The only way we could possibly know that is if it were written on the piece. You seem to be unwilling to accept the possibility that archaeologists are actually good at what they do. Rrhain WWJD? JWRTFM!
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ramoss Member (Idle past 612 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: |
Yet, he accepts the British-israeli claims, all without evidence.
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joshua221  Inactive Member |
quote: trivial "Wake up, O sleeper, rise from the dead, and Christ will shine on you." Ephesians 5:14
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joshua221  Inactive Member |
quote: Would you like to engage in a discussion? Then reply to me next time. I don't know, seems kind of lame to make a reply like this. "Wake up, O sleeper, rise from the dead, and Christ will shine on you." Ephesians 5:14
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AdminNosy Administrator Posts: 4754 From: Vancouver, BC, Canada Joined: |
Did any of the last three posts contribute anything at all to the discussion? Were they in anyway necessary?
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Rrhain Member Posts: 6351 From: San Diego, CA, USA Joined: |
prophex responds to me:
quote:quote: Thank you for proving my point. Now you're saying that archaeology is so simple that even someone without any training can do it. Is there any scientific profession that touches upon humanity at some point that you don't find to be without merit? Rrhain WWJD? JWRTFM!
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1344 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
Are you seriously saying that physics is wrong? The exact same physics that allows us to go to the moon, put geosynchronous satellites in orbit, create computer systems that can connect across the world, etc., etc., all that stuff is just a fake? just for argument's sake, the reason the ptolemiac solar system model wasn't changed for about 2000 years was because it reasonably accurately predicted the orbits of the planets. i could probablem even put a man on the surface of mars using it. it's not right, though.
There's a flood going on right now in Florida. i'm in florida. i don't see a flood anywhere.
quote: No, you don't. well that was a real elegant rebuttal. what the heck is that thing anyways? i remember seeing good evidence somewhere it couldn't have been an ark... but what is it? This message has been edited by Arachnophilia, 09-16-2004 07:39 AM
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Rrhain Member Posts: 6351 From: San Diego, CA, USA Joined: |
Arachnophilia responds to me:
quote: Well, no, it didn't. Only if one's opinion about "accurate" lasted a brief amount of time. The introduction of epicycles upon epicycles (up to 28 for some planets) was hardly convincing. It was "good enough" in the sense that nobody else had anything. Even when Copernicus revived Aristarchus' heliocentric system, he used circular orbits which required epicycles (even more than Ptolemy). It literally took until Kepler to understand the elliptical nature of planetary motion to develop an ephemeris that is even close to being "reasonably accurate" for significant lengths of time.
quote: Most likely, you couldn't. Ptolemaic astromony is a linear system and going to Mars requires some understanding of relativistic physics because you are going fast enough to have it show some effects. We've already seen a probe bounce off the atmosphere because of errors in approach. And that doesn't begin to deal with the circular nature of the orbits that the Ptolemaic system posits. The Ptolemaic system might be able to tell you where in the visual field Mars is with respect to Earth, but that's a lousy indicator of where Mars physically is with respect to the Sun.
quote:quote: You prove my point.
quote:quote:quote: I thought so. It was on the same level of evidence-presentation as the original claim. If his degree of rigor was acceptable to make a claim, then it should be sufficient to counter it.
quote: Most think it's a rock outcropping. Rrhain WWJD? JWRTFM!
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