Evolution vs Creation

i just realized i'm in over my head because biology is not my strong point. but Jesus loves you and i pray that you would know the truth whoever it is that started this debate. you may want to try actually putting down your pride and reading the Word of God.------------------
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Hi funk. I think you're phrasing the question wrong. It isn't so much that there is evidence against the Flood, simply that there is no evidence for the Flood. If the Flood was true, then someone in one of the relevant fields like geology, geophysics, paleontology, biology, etc would at some point have either deliberately or accidently stumbled across the traces that would be expected to be found of a global catastrophe of this magnitude. The absence of such evidence is utter/total.Now, what DOES exist is tons of evidence against particular wild mechanisms, stories and sheer mental gymnastics creationists try to use to explain the observations that DO exist from all those disciplines - observations that have much more mundane, prosaic explanations; none of which are related to a Flood. You'll see a lot of that on this board. Check out any of the geology threads.

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Originally posted by funkmasterfreaky:
after reading through all this. for one thing i don't believe any of you are seeking truth. unfortunately even the creationist has been sucked into a mudslinging mockery of each other instead of just putting forth points in an effort to discover the truth ... but i believe that the bible is the word of the living God and it says in genesis that he created the heavens and the earth and he did it in 6 days. and i can't prove my point to you in debate if you do not believe that the bible is God's word. my biggest problem with evolution is i do not see it. i feel God i talk to him and he speaks to me. i pray and he answers. i know he is real.. i do not see evolution even with my eyes. i see exactly the oposite.. so that's about all i have to say for now though i will be back to post a more organized and informed defense for the Creator...

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It appears to me that your unquestioning acceptance that the
Bible is the word of God prohibits you from accepting
about 80% of all modern science.Is that a search for truth?

You:"... but i believe that the bible is the word of the living God and it says in genesis that he created the heavens and the earth and he did it in 6 days. and i can't prove my point to you in debate if you do not believe that the bible is God's word. my biggest problem with evolution is i do not see it. i feel God i talk to him and he speaks to me. i pray and he answers. i know he is real.. i do not see evolution even with my eyes. i see exactly the oposite.. "Me:The trouble is, there are some people out there who sincerely believe that they are the living incarnation of Napoleon, or Genghis Khan, which is why we need to appeal to objective measurement and rationality. Faith by definition requires a suspension of rationality.How would you go about telling someone who sincerely believed they were Napoleon that they weren't (assuming of course that you don't believe they're Napoleon )?PE

Fred, you're not avoiding this thread, are you? There are numerous questions which you have been asked and have not yet responded to, including those which I raised in message #58.When can we expect responses?

[Quote] I often get the comment that evolution can’t be proven and if I believe in it, it must be only a faith. Personally, I would rather listen to scientists with empirical data and testing of evidence to draw conclusions over any propaganda about an invisible man in the skyScience couldn't solve any problems about Evolution for it is only a thoery that was proven by Charles Darwin for he went to the stupid Galapogus island and discovered that there were different types of finches and was different from whereever he come from. Truely, i believe in GOD (the invisible man above) for many peopole had written about him more than anyone else in the world for he created the flood for forty days and nights and the only man he saw good was Noah...... Well i hope this answers your questions....

It is ony 7 days man.... read again my friend

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Originally posted by Arima:
It is ony 7 days man.... read again my friend

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Not really a response to my question ... but didn't
God rest on day 7 ... meaning the creation took 6 days.

I THINK ANYONE WHO BELEIVES IN EVOLUTION IS AN IDIOT AND NEEDS TO GET A BRAIN CUZ THERE IS NO WAY THAT THAT COULD JUST HAPPEN....AND GOD IS AWSOME SO.....So....YA

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God did rest on the 7th day..... and God created the entire universe in 6 days..... Can someone give me some info on how to prove the earth is only thouthands of year and not Billions

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~~~Gods Servent~~~

Shouldn't that tell you something? If you cannot prove that the world was created in 6 days unless someone first believes that the Genesis story is completely true, shouldn't that tell you that your reasoning is completely circular? In short, your argument is this:If you agree that the Genesis story is literally true, THEN I can convince you that the Genesus story is literally true.Well, no kidding. If you first believe that I have a six-legged pink frog that speaks fluent English with a French accent, then I can easily convince you of the same, but that doesn't really say much about the actual existence of Franc the French Frog now, does it? No offense, but there have been more than a few persons who also "knew" that they were Napoleon Bonaparte.

Yes, indeed. Show that all methods of radiometric dating give inconsistent results. Show that there is absolutely no correclation between radiometric dates and relative order of strata. Show that there is no correlation between either of these and fossil species.Show that there is no order in which we find fossil species in the strata.Show that there is not a single transitional fossil that links a modern species with an ancient ancestor.Show that there are "transitional" fossils that link whales to fish, bats to birds, or show that humans evolved from ancient wolves, completely contradicting the Linnaean classification system.Show that molecular biology gives a completely different family tree than suggested by paleontology or by the Linnaean classification system.Show that all the stars and galaxies that we see, even with the most powerful telescopes, are less than 10,000 light years away.These are just the things that immediately pop into my head. I'm sure that people can think up lots and lots of ways to prove that creationism is true.

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I THINK ANYONE WHO BELEIVES IN EVOLUTION IS AN IDIOT AND NEEDS TO GET A BRAIN CUZ THERE IS NO WAY THAT THAT COULD JUST HAPPEN....AND GOD IS AWSOME SO.....So....YA

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What part of evolution are you incredulous about?Furthermore, what part of creationism has evidence to support it?And please refrain from caps lock in the future. We can read smaller print quite well. Thanks.

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God did rest on the 7th day..... and God created the entire universe in 6 days..... Can someone give me some info on how to prove the earth is only thouthands of year and not Billions

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God needs to rest?And good luck attempting to find info. At the present, I seem to find nothing to support a several thousand-yr old earth. If you find something, please let us know.[This message has been edited by MisterOpus1, 03-16-2004]

How Can Anyone beleive that Billions of years ago an explosion just happened and in resalt we have a fully functional universe. Thats like me saying that if I took my watch and Smashed it in 2000 peices and put it in to a paper bag and Spun it around for billions of years I would have a Fully functional watch. Come on we all know that aint gonna happen..... So why should I beleive That this so complex universe was made by sum freek accedent.
Well I know I aint gonna beleive it.

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~~~Gods Servent~~~

Welcome to my list.Do you think God wants you to go around calling people idiots? Is that what they're teaching you in church these days?