MFFJM2
Member (Idle past 3228 days) Posts: 58 From: Washington, DC Joined: 10-11-2009
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Message 33 of 33 (727765)
05-20-2014 2:06 PM
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Reply to: Message 1 by lokiare 03-21-2014 9:58 AM
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quote: The second prophecy is the predicsion many hundred years ago that the nation of Israel would be scattered and then reformed (Hosea 3:4-5 - "For the children of Israel shall abide many days without a king, and without a prince, and without a sacrifice, and without an image, and without an ephod, and without teraphim:", "Afterward shall the children of Israel return, and seek the LORD their God, and David their king; and shall fear the LORD and his goodness in the latter days.", Hosea 6:1 - "Come, and let us return unto the LORD: for he hath torn, and he will heal us; he hath smitten, and he will bind us up.", Ezekial 20:34 - "And I will bring you out from the people, and will gather you out of the countries wherein ye are scattered, with a mighty hand, and with a stretched out arm, and with fury poured out.", Isaiah 11:11-12 - "And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea.", "And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth").
Well, this isn't really a prophecy is it..? It's more like very vague statements (rants) by Isaiah and Ezekiel, among others, in the Old Testament, which have subsequently been applied to the creation of the nation of Israel, and voila prophecy. A prophecy, in order to be prophetic, would need to be clear and not open to interpretation. It would need to be specific, and not vague. It would need to name names and date dates. In this case it's not prophecy because it's so vague, leaving it up to interpretation. There are as many Jews living in the US as there are in Israel. There have been a great many people attempting to make a homeland for the Jews since well before WWII. Then during and after the Holocaust, enough displaced survivors left Europe to make it possible. Insofar as it happening in one day, that is plain silly. Isn't every country created in a single day..? Didn't the US become a country in one day on July 4, 1776. Are you suggesting that God caused the Holocaust so that he could provide the Jews with their own nation in Israel..? Let's take a look at another of Isaiah's so-called prophecies. In Isaiah 19:1-8 Isaiah tells us the Nile will dry up in the time of pagan Egypt.
quote: Isaiah 19:1 The burden of Egypt. Behold, the LORD rideth upon a swift cloud, and shall come into Egypt: and the idols of Egypt shall be moved at his presence, and the heart of Egypt shall melt in the midst of it. 2 And I will set the Egyptians against the Egyptians: and they shall fight every one against his brother, and every one against his neighbour; city against city, and kingdom against kingdom.3 And the spirit of Egypt shall fail in the midst thereof; and I will destroy the counsel thereof: and they shall seek to the idols, and to the charmers, and to them that have familiar spirits, and to the wizards.4 And the Egyptians will I give over into the hand of a cruel lord; and a fierce king shall rule over them, saith the Lord, the LORD of hosts.5 And the waters shall fail from the sea, and the river shall be wasted and dried up.6 And they shall turn the rivers far away; and the brooks of defence shall be emptied and dried up: the reeds and flags shall wither.Isaiah 19:7 The paper reeds by the brooks, by the mouth of the brooks, and every thing sown by the brooks, shall wither, be driven away, and be no more. 8 The fishermen will groan and lament, all who cast hooks into the Nile; those who throw nets on the water will pine away.
Okay, so there's a failed prophecy in which Isaiah specifically names the river that will dry up, only it didn't.
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