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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1470 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2418 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
I doubt he ever will be able to back up his lies. He galloped away from the my topic of Democrats stealing votes.
(And he brought in a lot of stuff that was 100% irrelevant to what I ever brought up in this thread, AND AND AND AND in his typically personally accusatory nature) I only want to comment on the issue of LaRouche being a racist against blacks. I admit that the Obama years did seem to see the 85 (in 2007) year old LaRouche start to use words, at times, like "monkey", though I think he was being deliberately provocative (I suspect he felt he could deny it was racist, since "whites look more like chimps than anybody" , being the out-of-touch old man that he is). Remember Bush was called "chimp boy" (and presented as a monkey), and blacks have told me (including a VERY GOOD friend who got a year's worth of Starbuck's drinks for free for being ignored by white coffee servers while serving white customers from behind in line) that it is a common saying in the black community that "whites look like chimps". I agree that any reference to monkeys and minorities is racist, due to the historical attacks on people of color, but I am sure LaRouche got some idea in his head that it was an interesting idea to throw the words & jokes around. IT WAS BAD! But I want to get back to his 1980 comment about Jews and pop music. Theodoric just informed me, via his link, of it, I never saw it before. (This is the only skin color racist comment from the pre-Obama years I have found) The quote if from Theodoric's first link.
quote: I will just say that this starts out by looking like just another conspiratorial attack on Jews, except for the last part which seems to bring skin color into the anti-Semitic part. LaRouche was never accused of seeing Jews as anything other than a white group (unlike Nazis). I am sure LaRouche would have said that the (admitted) "racist and anti-Semitic" quote didn't 100% fit the point he was trying to make. As for the conspiracy issue of (along the lines of) "whites creating 'black culture' which is not black of African", there were mainstream Democratic publications that made the same claim as late as the early 1990's. Remember Marty Peretz's The New Republic made an issue in 1990 that rap is not genuinely 'black'. I am not easy with this stuff, but it is interesting that the music issue (with a quote of a disagreeable "quote with a quote" in 1980) is the only thing Theodoric found from before 2007/2008. I am not convinced that LaRouche made racist comments against blacks, until the Obama years. (From what I still know, I don't think LaRouche held racist views against blacks, but he did use tactics that included using words racists use. And since racists still exist, that is very bad. Harmful for sure.) Edited by LamarkNewAge, : No reason given.
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2418 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
http://wlym.com/archive/campaigner/8009.pdf
Here is the pdf issue that has the Jazz conspiracy theory. I have not read it yet, but somebody can bring it up in my new thread. The cover has a white person (a Jewish man, I suppose) with "black-face" paint. I suspect the "Jewish control"-angle was LaRouche's only intent, though the "black-face" paint will be seen - especially today - as an attack on black skin features. I NEED TO CLARIFY SOMETHING (this is an edit) The blackface was something that actually happened. It was a cover based on an actual act (it might have been a legit picture)
quote: I just started to read the magazine. I should also point out that the article attacks non-Jewish whites.
quote: Edited by LamarkNewAge, : No reason given. Edited by LamarkNewAge, : No reason given.
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2418 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
Al Jolson - Wikipedia
He was Jewish, but here is another issue that might explain the N-word use by the publication (LaRouche was not involved in the magazine issue anyway, so this quote of a quote is not from LaRouche's pen) I actually stopped quoting the magazine, earlier, right before the N-WORD came up again. (this pasting caused words to be dropped, but read anyway to get the gist)
quote: Here was something said later
quote: The racist and anti-Semitic quote attributed to LaRouche - in Theodoric's source - was actually not from LaRouche. I have not tracked down the spot in the magazine it was used, but considering the popular jazz-founders (in the 1920s) used the N-WORD in their titles, THAT MIGHT EXPLAIN WHY A RACIST QUOTE WAS USED DURING THE SAME DISCUSSION. It was a quote plainly stated to be "racist" by the article author (who clearly did not agree with the concept behind the racist N-word, and did not feel Jewish individuals were part of any racist racial concept - for better or worse). It was a use of irony, which is much more tolerable when one understands the context. The performers who made Jazz popular were white Jewish folks who wore blackface and had shows called "N***** Heaven" (Van Vechten was not Jewish actually) Carl Van Vechten - Wikipedia (I have no opinion on the Jazz history conspiracy however) Edited by LamarkNewAge, : No reason given.
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2418 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
Straight from the horses mouth:
quote: This article was good. I have the print issue, and had it since the 2015 article. It was great self criticism and it covered the Harlem Renaissance years.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1470 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
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Phat Member Posts: 18335 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
I responded to you in the other thread.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1470 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined:
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Mark Levin has been pointing this out, that the US isn't doing anything to express solidarity with the freedom fighters of Hong Kong when normally we would. Why isn't Trump speaking out for them? Why aren't others in the government doing so? Shouldn't there be a government resolution of some kind to declare our support? Why the silence? What can the rest of us do? Write our representatives I guess. Write Trump. If we don't stand behind them they are just going to be mowed down by the Chinese government whose illegal action is what prompted the protests in the first place. They may be mowed down anyway but it shouldn't be for lack of support from the rest of the world and particularly from the US.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1470 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I just emailed Trump asking him to speak out for the protestors in Hong Kong. The address is whitehouse.gov/contact if anyone else would like to join the cause.
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2418 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2
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Let them immigrate here to avoid oppressive governments.
Otherwise, it is just empty talk. (dropping bombs makes things worse, unless you allow people to immigrate) Hong Kong has 7.5 million people. Which one of the 7.5 million would you not allow to immigrate here? My Answer: 0.0 How many would I allow to come here? 7.5 million
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1470 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Fine. How about starting with an email to Trump and your representatives in Congress asking them to make some kind of loud and clear statement of support for them. THEN invite them here.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
He is not showing them much support. He doesn't want to piss of the chinese government. He has no spine.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1470 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
He's got his priorities out of whack, but that doesn't mean we need to. We need to set a fire under him and under Congress and whatever else we can do. And let me add I think it's just from being preoccupied with his own strategies for dealing with China, not fully grasping the situation in Hong Kong and not from any lack of concern for them.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2
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How about we look at the human rights abuses on our own southern border? Maybe lets some children out of the jails and concentration camps they are in. You seem to have your priorities put of whack.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1470 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
In my opinion Trump is preoccupied with his trade dealings with China and isn't giving the Hong Kong situation enough attention. One thing Trump is not is spineless, he's just focused on his way of dealing with things and to my mind neglecting something that's more important right now. He isn't totally neglecting it but he's got his own style of dealing with tyrants which in this case can be overlooking something that is crucially important.
As I see it anyway. Those people love America, they love us, they wave our flag and sing our anthem. Their freedoms are being threatened by the Chinese government. My position is simple: I don't want them to feel we aren't listening and don't care, I want them to feel that we are with them, that we share their love of freedom and don't want to see them lose it. We should have protestors out in the streets supporting them. Our students should be out waving our flag in support of them. Hong Kong needs to hear us, Beijing needs to hear us. We are being too silent. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1470 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I disagree but I'm not going to fight that one with you right now.
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