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PecosGeorge
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Message 46 of 105 (135817)
08-20-2004 9:34 PM
Reply to: Message 44 by Amlodhi
08-20-2004 7:01 PM


Re: Ark of the Covenant
Whatever starting point pleases you. I would not even think of stopping anyone on any endeavor. The searcher for wisdom and truth has my encouragement. If your approach is honest and careful of your listener's needs, I'm with you. I don't care for slyness, for baiting, to put someone down, to make someone feel ridiculous, to give the impression of superiority. I gather you are none of these things.
Vielen Dank dafuer. (Many thanks for that).
Thank you also for sharing the story.
Como te llamas?
What is Amlodhi?
George

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PecosGeorge
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Message 47 of 105 (135819)
08-20-2004 9:37 PM
Reply to: Message 45 by Nighttrain
08-20-2004 9:01 PM


Re: Ark of the Covenant
Ich weiss nicht was soll es bedeuten
dass ich so traurig bin
ein Maerchen aus uralten Zeiten
das geht mir nicht aus dem Sinn
die Luft is so kuehl und as dunkelt
un ruhig flisset der ....... and so on.
A favorite, thanks for the remind.

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Amlodhi
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Message 48 of 105 (135875)
08-21-2004 1:29 AM
Reply to: Message 47 by PecosGeorge
08-20-2004 9:37 PM


Re: Ark of the Covenant
Hello again PecosGeorge,
I know not what it means
that I am so sad
a myth of olden times
that passes not from my mind
the air is so cool and dark (darkening?)
and calm flows . . .
Or that's the best I can make of it. Anyhow, too melancholy for me. I think Nighttrain and I will stick with singing "Mein hut der hat drei ecke" in der biergarten.
quote:
PecosGeorge:
Como te llamas?
You already know what I am called. What you are wanting to ask is, "What does your name mean?" More like: "Que es el sentido de tus nombre?" I did also take two years of Spanish at university.
Nevertheless, "Amlodhi" is an enigmatic character of Norse poetry. The quintessential "Once and Future King" whose esoteric presence, in various guises, pervades ancient mythology.
But we are about 7 leagues off topic here now. As for playing around with languages or literature, el gusto es mio, but it would probably be best if you were to PM me and I will give you my email address.
namaste'
Amlodhi
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CK
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Message 49 of 105 (143621)
09-21-2004 11:00 AM
Reply to: Message 48 by Amlodhi
08-21-2004 1:29 AM


PUT UP OR SHUT TIME for Lysimachus
Lysimachus claims that
quote:
I have personal connections with not only several witnesses, but also contributers and workers themselves involved with W.A.R. Just be patient, and I will take the time to thoroughly provide and document much uncovered information to the public online. Even your questions regarding the Ark of the Covenant and the blood *now that is a touchy subject, and very hard for people to swallow, but once closely investigated, one will realize that the idea is a far cry from being a scam*
http://EvC Forum: Giant People in the bible? -->EvC Forum: Giant People in the bible?
so it's put up or shut time - where is the evidence that the blood was from jesus - let's see it
You feeble arguments from authority fail to stand up to the most basic tests.

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Rei
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Posts: 1546
From: Iowa City, IA
Joined: 09-03-2003


Message 50 of 105 (143650)
09-21-2004 1:10 PM
Reply to: Message 17 by CK
08-15-2004 7:18 PM


Re: Doctor - We need a doctor over here!
quote:
These tiny particles, some of which are less than one tenth of a micron in size have been recognized by various names including Microzymes, Agens, Endobiont, polymorpha, du sangre, Micromycet, Onkonyxa, Mikroorganisms, Mycoplasma like bodies and by the term "Somatid" meaning "the body that creates."
Microzymes (seems that they were an archaic pre-pasteur theory that there were granules inside animal and plant cells that, once the cell died, continued to function and break down the tissue; this was how they explained fermentation and decay. Apparently a couple crackpot pages still reference the term in one form or another, especially those pushing "natural" cures; none that I could find use it at all in the way that Wyatt does except his own site and those who copy his articles).
Agens (Too common of a term on its own. When narrowed down with "particles", the only hits it gets are foreign pages, Wyatt's site and a lot of sites that misspell "agents". Also an interesting page about how agens was a 12th century alchemical term for something necessary for transmutation of minerals.)
Endobiont (lots of links to homeopathic medicine (especially for cattle) as a name for red blood cells; there's also some references to endobiont sponges) (this is the closest he ever gets to properly using a term).
Polymorpha (lots of hits, but all of the ones that I run into on the first 10 pages or so are either typos of "polymorph", or more commonly, species names (especially for fungi))
du sangre (apart from Wyatt's site, the only hits are from a handful of French websites)
Micromycet (Apart from Wyatt's site, it only comes up as A) a type of bacterial culture, and B) a word on a czech webpage used to mean hypersensitivity to fungi)
Onconyxa (1 hit, only Wyatt's website)
Mikroorganisms (Only shows up on foreign websites - mainly .lv and .at; assumedly is the word for "microorganisms")
Mycoplasma (the genus name for pneumonia - Mycoplasma pneumoniae.)
Somatid (A creation of already-discussed quack Gaston Naessens - however, the aforementioned quack says it means "tiny body")

"Illuminant light,
illuminate me."

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macaroniandcheese 
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Message 51 of 105 (143718)
09-21-2004 5:07 PM
Reply to: Message 10 by Coragyps
08-15-2004 12:52 AM


hahaha. awesome.

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MUTTY6969
Member (Idle past 6190 days)
Posts: 65
From: ARIZONA
Joined: 05-20-2006


Message 52 of 105 (323135)
06-19-2006 7:27 AM
Reply to: Message 50 by Rei
09-21-2004 1:10 PM


Re: Doctor - We need a doctor over here!
I just now saw this thread, so sorry this is 2 years late...the reason the slides are made with this Ultra-Darkfield Microscopic Image is to hide the fact that those "Somatid" that are being pointed to on Rivas's slides are probably just platelets.
With the size of the WBC's and RBC's on a normal blood smear what he is pointing to as somatids is actually what size you would expect of platelets, what he points to as platelets the lower right object looks like it could be a platelet but the upper right mess is just a refractile object or smudge cell NOT a platelet...
In my humble opinion as a medical technologist this is just a blood smear and when a blood smear is made, normally with wrights stain, you get the color of the cell as well as it's morphology, obviously rivas is just trying to decrease our ability to discern what is on this blood smear in hopes to fool his audience.

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Nighttrain
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Posts: 1512
From: brisbane,australia
Joined: 06-08-2004


Message 53 of 105 (323572)
06-19-2006 8:52 PM
Reply to: Message 52 by MUTTY6969
06-19-2006 7:27 AM


Re: Doctor - We need a doctor over here!
Hi, Mutty, and welcome. No comment on the blood specialists being 'overcome'? Could it be from the fumes off the BS?

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MUTTY6969
Member (Idle past 6190 days)
Posts: 65
From: ARIZONA
Joined: 05-20-2006


Message 54 of 105 (323582)
06-19-2006 9:13 PM
Reply to: Message 53 by Nighttrain
06-19-2006 8:52 PM


Re: Doctor - We need a doctor over here!
What BS? I'm just saying the objects in the blood smear are look nothing more than platelets. Than there is another image that I just saw on http://www.wyattmuseum.com/ark-of-the-covenant-07.htm that doesn't show one single cell next to these so called Somatids.
It looks like these two images are from seperate samples, but who knows.

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jar
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Posts: 34026
From: Texas!!
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Message 55 of 105 (323585)
06-19-2006 9:16 PM
Reply to: Message 54 by MUTTY6969
06-19-2006 9:13 PM


Re: Doctor - We need a doctor over here!
The BS from Wyatt and clan.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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MUTTY6969
Member (Idle past 6190 days)
Posts: 65
From: ARIZONA
Joined: 05-20-2006


Message 56 of 105 (323589)
06-19-2006 9:22 PM
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06-19-2006 9:16 PM


Re: Doctor - We need a doctor over here!
Oh...sorry, 14 hour shifts at night makes my thought process a little slow

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MUTTY6969
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Posts: 65
From: ARIZONA
Joined: 05-20-2006


Message 57 of 105 (323599)
06-19-2006 9:52 PM
Reply to: Message 49 by CK
09-21-2004 11:00 AM


Re: PUT UP OR SHUT TIME for Lysimachus
The blood smear is pretty weak evidence...so where is the chromosomal study?
Did you find any thing on his website other than a blood smear and ,what actually looks like a urine sample with bacteria in it, or was that the best Wyatt had to offer?

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Buzsaw
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Message 58 of 105 (323618)
06-19-2006 10:33 PM
Reply to: Message 25 by PecosGeorge
08-16-2004 5:44 PM


Re: Ark of the Covenant
To Pecos: I believe Ron was claiming that the Israelis have the ark which he found in the cave and are keeping the wraps on it. When I heard him lecture and present his expeditions slides back in the 1980s as I remember that is what he claimed.
To All: I've always stated that Wyatt was a pioneer in searching out the actual scripturally compatible aspects of the Dead Sea crossing, Mt Sinai and Noah's ark site. I believe these sites are Biblical and viable. I have also always offered my disclaimer that I do not think some of the research of Wyatt is credible. I do accept the more scientific research of Moeller and some others who have done a more thorough and proper investigation of the details.
As for the ark story, I'm of the opinion that the arc was likely hidden somewhere when it could not be protected. If there is a cave under the cross site, some aspects of the story is possible. Is the story credible? I just don't know and I don't think you people know any more than I about the credibility of an ark being found in a cave.
As for the ark in Heaven I believe that will not be the earthly ark. However, I do see the possibility that God has preserved the original earthly ark to be used at the 2nd advent of his kingly/priestly messiah, Jesus when he returns to the earth as prophesied. Could this be why Israel kept the wraps on Wyatt's (abe: alleged) discovery? Again, I see that as a possibility but am certainly not claiming it as having to be the case. One thing I am convinced of is that there existed a real Arc Of The Covenant and the possibility of it having been hid somewhere is very likely. That would likely have been at the time of the destruction of the temple by Titus's army and being besieged, the likely area of securing it would be within the close proximity of Jerusalem where the Temple was.
The blood of the sacrifices over the centuries having been applied to the mercy seat, would God have had it so as to have the blood of Jesus literally being applied to the ark? I dono, but the possibility of that does make some sense .
Edited by Buzsaw, : Edit Moeller spelling et al

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW

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Nighttrain
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Posts: 1512
From: brisbane,australia
Joined: 06-08-2004


Message 59 of 105 (323627)
06-19-2006 11:12 PM
Reply to: Message 57 by MUTTY6969
06-19-2006 9:52 PM


Re: PUT UP OR SHUT TIME for Lysimachus

This material here that refers to anything other than the blood is off topic. Please do not respond in this thread!

Hi, Mutty, I wasn`t accusing you of BS. Just to fill you in on the background (when you can fit it in with 14 hour days )
The background:
http://www.wyattarchaeology.com/ark.htm
The search:
http://www.arkdiscovery.com/ark_of_the_covenant.htm
The blood:
http://www.arkdiscovery.com/ark_of_cov_,_pt__2.htm
FLASH--Halleluyah, Ron is genuine. His name turned up in the OT using bible codes.
[UPDATE: January 30, 2006: Ron Wyatt Bible Code ties to Ark of the Covenant
Ron Wyatt who is featured on this site for his discoveries is a target of the skeptics for his astonishing claims, especially regarding the discovery of the Ark of the Covenant. Yet he has withstood the assaults time and again. It is only a matter of time before his discovery of the Ark of the Covenant in Jeruslalem in a cave chamber beneath the Crucifixion site will be fully vindicated. Bible Codes have been used to strengthen the credibility of important past events and personalities. Recently Friedhelm Turnwald from Germany has found several RONWYATT codes in the KJV OT: Words and word combinations found associated with the RONWYATT name include ARK OF THE COVENANT, BLOOD, and JERUSALEM.]
From:
Page not found – BibleDiscoveries
Edited by Nighttrain, : Edited for practice
Edited by AdminNosy, : Topic warning

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MUTTY6969
Member (Idle past 6190 days)
Posts: 65
From: ARIZONA
Joined: 05-20-2006


Message 60 of 105 (323636)
06-19-2006 11:24 PM
Reply to: Message 58 by Buzsaw
06-19-2006 10:33 PM


Re: Ark of the Covenant
That's fine if you like what Wyatt's selling, but the OP is only questioning the lab test and results of Wyatt's blood of jesus find.
Does Moller or others that you find credible have any other evidence besides Wyatt's? I only ask because I really don't know, and am curious to see other evidence.

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