Some Specific Biblical Prophecies

You are just mad because you are not smart enough to show me WHATS UP-Quiz

Are you saying Buz is wrong about derailment?

He probably is but he tagged Quiz in the beginning of that post.

buzsaw I am supporting you half-way. I am trying to show these people that the word generation was or could have been translated wrong and is very miss leading but is still valid if you understand it correctly and that plays a LARGE role in your thread. You are looking for someone to challange your history role in the fact that you think the prophecies have happend half of them have and half of them have not. If you want the history debated compared to the actual prophecies you may want to point that out please-Quiz[This message has been edited by Quiz, 10-22-2003][This message has been edited by Quiz, 10-22-2003]

Hello Quiz & buzsaw,As a direct consequence of the OP, are you both agreed then that the "times of the Gentiles" ended in 1967?Amlodhi

Are you taliking about posts 61-2?, if so then I need to know why T's of South Cs' avatar disappeared from my browser side the second time I tried to read this thread?? T's pic makes me doubt the content prima facie and it is neigh impossible if you guys gang go. Five mininutes does not equal 30!!

Maybe you could reply to Dan in this post.If "this generation" is the generation that sees the beginning of these signs, then just when do you propose that these signs started?At one point in your posts you refer to centuries and centuries....surely multiple centuries is more than one generation.------------------
Asgara
"An unexamined life is not worth living" Socrates via Plato

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buzsaw I am supporting you half-way. I am trying to show these people that the word generation means something more then just what it appears to mean. You are looking for someone to challange your history role in the fact that you think the prophecies have happend half of them have and half of them have not. If you want the history debated compared to the actual prophecies you may want to point that out please

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Quiz, we know what the word means. You're disecting the simple word into ambiguity. Why don't you specify which part of the prophecy you are contending not to have yet been fulfilled and focus in on that as to what it is and wherein has it not been fulfilled?

The point of my quips is that they are not explaining the problem with the individual verses and the blatantly obvious discrepancies between them,Instead they go in with the close minded attitude that the prophesy exists before they look at the context.I have not had a proper rebuttal of post #19 and I find that I am not the only one who has not had a decent arguement put forth.
Quiz and Buzsaw belittle us as being dupes for not believing in the bible without question BEFORE we critique it.They are set in stone with the idea that prophesy actually is occuring and will not even deal with the issues the bible itself(not our worldview) is the one providing the evidence against it.

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The purpose of Jesus's making the generation statement was so that out in the future the generation which sees the fulfillment of the things he prophesied this and no other generation would KNOW the end is near, in fact so near that their generation would not pass until all is fulfilled.

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This still doesn't explain the obvious redundancy in the speech, though. It being redundant doesn't make it any more specific or conclusive, it just makes it sound goofy and possibly misinterpreted (assuming it was interpreted the way you say it should be). It just says that a certain group of people will be gone after they witness a certain event (or events).

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Why would he even bother pointing that out?

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"And lo, the people who see this come to pass shall surely be the ones who see this come to pass."

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Why not close the prophecy with "and yea, when the rain doth fall, water shall sprinkle from the sky, as unto a rainfall."

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Regardless, hasn't the expulsion of the Jewish people from Jerusalem and their subsequent return spanned well over a single generation by now? I'd be surprised if there were anyone left around from the initial Zionist movement, let alone from when the Jews were first booted out. Those who saw these things begin to happen have passed on, which is at direct odds with the prophecy.

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My apologies, Dan. The pages were flipping by so fast that you're post got neglected. You make a logical point, but please note that this generation statement was made during Jesus's parable of the fig tree. The generation was not to pass until after the fig tree budded. The implication here is that the tree does not bud until the end times. The statement was made after those end times were focused in on, including the budding of the fig tree. The land of Palestine was totally barren of trees when the Jews began to move in. They are literally budding as well as the metaphoric end time buds referring to those end time events addressed just prior to the parable.

T, if there was one thing I have learned from reading the Bible is that often one's use of LOGIC on a verse by verse basis often turns out to be invertable as a larger part of scripture is considered leaving an "oscillatory" truth table structure bound by what you do consider the word of GOD or dont know how to read it (as may be my case here as I have not spent much time in the word lately).When I first started reading the Bible I was confused about this "know" but if one understands that both epistemology and ontology are a part of metaphysics that may remain transcendental then it is possible not to require the logical reading of knowledge epistemologically 'before' as common sense may have directed your idea of ideas. But one has to UNDERSTAND THIS PHILOSOPHICALLY not understand God or the word of God before one reads this rather than writes a lot of other things that may or may not bring one to logistic state to have released the particular sequence of logic on the marks the words represent. Redundency could be the result of an additional ideal phenomenological reduction but I fear I would have to get back into this word to try to explicate that for you if that is your problem rather than trying to constrain what Buz had said is not the sole rasion de etre of this thread namely what reads a relation of community and motion if not fully spirtual.

Maybe I'm beginning to understand the point a bit. It seems we are not to take the bible literally then.I think that most of us have been saying that all along haven't we?

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This still doesn't explain the obvious redundancy in the speech, though. It being redundant doesn't make it any more specific or conclusive, it just makes it sound goofy and possibly misinterpreted (assuming it was interpreted the way you say it should be). It just says that a certain group of people will be gone after they witness a certain event (or events).

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It's only redundant and goofy if you choose to ignore the clear prophetic nature of the text. I'm fully aware that the ideology of you secularists is at stake here, so it's to your all's edeological advantage in this debate to keep this just as reduntant and goofy as you possibly can.

First off you can't say it is one prophecy there is more then one. I would say No 1967 is not the cut off date. This list of prophecies will continue untill shortly before the coming of the messiah whenever that maybe, as these are the signs that will happen before he comes again.Now I believe that most of the prophecies (in matt 24,luke 21, mark 13) have been fulfilled only a few remain. I believe they started shortly after the saviors ascension to heaven, rumers of wars, false prophetes, etc.Does that clear things up at all????-Quiz[This message has been edited by Quiz, 10-22-2003]