Hello all.

Yes Messenjah, Christianity is mostly out of schools at first appearances anyway.For me, I don't really care if it is on money or other things that are hardly hurting anyone. I guess I just don't care enough. I suppose a Jew or Muslim might feel more offended if his/her goverment was doing anything at all to appear to support a religion which had been a mortal enemy at various times in history. As I say I don't care.Here in Canada, as in most western countries, Christianity is out of our schools in that the quality of science education is not impaired by the odd sect of fundamentalism. However, in at least some parts of the USA that is not true. There is still an impact on science education because of the political pressure of that sect. So schools are still affected negatively.

Well, since I don't believe in God, I don't see why talking about it is fruitful. I'm all for you talking about whatever you want to talk about, but if you want to talk about god with me, then we're going to have to start with "does God even exist" before we can talk about anything else.

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Maybe you haven't seen money?

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Oh, I thought you meant your money, perhaps taxes, was going to help fund the "christian God" or something crazy idea like that.

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It says "God" on it. Why should my money say "In God We Trust" when in fact, I don't trust in things that don't exist?

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Opinionated response of course, I expect nothing less...It doesn't matter if you trust in God or not, it's more showing the heritage of our country. Well in my opinion, I trust in God, so the fact that our money says in God we trust, is good.------------------
-chris

That's just it. The "extreme atheists" don't even want to bother discussing that.------------------
"When mankind falls into conflict with nature, monsters are born."-Professor Hayashida, Godzilla 1985

Ok, so about 2 states in the USA teach an alternate of creation, am I right? That's a really low percentage as in the entire world. I don't see why being taught creation is a bad thing, especially because you are not being forced to. You are given a choice between creation and evolution. So I don't see the problem. I guess some people just don't respect others beliefs, or God...------------------
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It doesn't matter if you trust in God or not, it's more showing the heritage of our country.

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Then why was it only added to our currency in the fifties?Along with adding "under God" to the pledge of allegiance, it was one of the measures taken by congress to separate us from the "godless communists." It has nothing to do with the heritage of our country; it has to do with a temporary pissing match with Russia fifty years ago.If you really want to respect the heritage of our country, look to the fact that our founding fathers were able to separate their personal faith from the formation of laws.

No, rather than reading what the Bible says and beleiving that, fundamentalists start with their own beliefs and "read" them INTO the Bible. I've seen it all too often.

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I believe the bible is infallible, leading me to believe the age of the earth is around 6000 yrs old, made the way it says in genesis ie no evolution, but that in noway means it is a scientific text.

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So, even though there is 200 years and entire libraries full of scientific evidence which shows that the Earth is much more ancient and that evolution certainly has and does occur, your God wishes you to turn your eyes, ears, brain, and integrity off?Your god must love surrounding himself with willfully ignorant people, then.I hope I don't go to heaven. I want to go to hell where all the smart people, apparently, will be.

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Ok, so about 2 states in the USA teach an alternate of creation, am I right? That's a really low percentage as in the entire world. I don't see why being taught creation is a bad thing, especially because you are not being forced to.

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It is a bad thing because it is being taught as science when there is absolutely nothing scientific about it.Teaching Creationism in science class is like teaching that the Earth is flat, that the Earth is the center of the solar system, that demons, not bacteria and virii, cause disease, that the Earth is encased in a hard shell called a firmament into which the stars are set, etc.Creationism is purely a religious concept from front to back. It has failed all real scientific tests of it's reliability.Tell me again why you think we should teach it in science class?

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You are given a choice between creation and evolution. So I don't see the problem. I guess some people just don't respect others beliefs, or God...

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Correction.Those childern are given a choice between science and a certain Protestant Christian Fundamentalist Creationist religious myth.It is not an either-or situation here. Why don't they teach the Native American, or Hindu, or Shinto, or Aztec creation myths in science class?They all have just as much scientific backing as the Christian myth.None.I have a great deal of respect for our Constitutional right to worship or not as we see fit. It is Fundamentalist Christians wishing to use my tax money to force all children to be taught their religious myth as if it were scientifically supported that greatly disrepects everyone who is interested in religious liberty.[This message has been edited by schrafinator, 10-24-2003]

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I don't see why being taught creation is a bad thing, especially because you are not being forced to. You are given a choice between creation and evolution. So I don't see the problem. I guess some people just don't respect others beliefs, or God...

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It's my belief that Scott Baio travelled through time and ejaculated into the cooling magma of the Earth, which is why objects fall toward the Earth. We all just want to be close to Scott Baio's seed.When you have kids, teach them this theory. Not only that, but teach them that it's as valid a theory as the theory of gravity.What's the problem? You're just giving them a choice.What do you mean "support it?" Respect my beliefs, and Scott Baio![This message has been edited by Dan Carroll, 10-24-2003]

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It is a bad thing because it is being taught as science when there is absolutely nothing scientific about it.

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Teaching Creationism in science class is like teaching that the Earth is flat, that the Earth is the center of the solar system, that demons, not bacteria and virii, cause disease, that the Earth is encased in a hard shell called a firmament into which the stars are set, etc.

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Creationism is purely a religious concept from front to back. It has failed all real scientific tests of it's reliability.

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Tell me again why you think we should teach it in science class?

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Like usual you support your arguments with... nothing. Calling creationism stupid just doesn't cut it. How is evolution science? Please explain that to me.

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It is not an either-or situation here. Why don't they teach the Native American, or Hindu, or Shinto, or Aztec creation myths in science class?

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You tell me. I have no idea why. Maybe it is because these people in those religions arent offended by evolution. Or their creation myth is off the wall.

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They all have just as much scientific backing as the Christian myth.

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Really? Show me some. I love the way you label it as myth. To help persuade others of your argument I presume. Sorry but the evolution myth has no backing at all.

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I have a great deal of respect for our Constitutional right to worship or not as we see fit. It is Fundamentalist Christians wishing to use my tax money to force all children to be taught their religious myth as if it were scientifically supported that greatly disrepects everyone who is interested in religious liberty.

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Noone's forcing you or your children to do anything. I think you're a little paranoid.------------------
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Tell me again why you think we should teach it in science class?

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Hey, I would accept that we teach creationism in science classes, so long as all parts of geologic history are given equal time by both theories. So, for example, since creationism only covers the last 6,000 years, while evolution covers 4.5 billion, Creationism would get 0.0048 seconds in your typical 60 minute science class.------------------
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So, even though there is 200 years and entire libraries full of scientific evidence which shows that the Earth is much more ancient and that evolution certainly has and does occur, your God wishes you to turn your eyes, ears, brain, and integrity off?

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Your god must love surrounding himself with willfully ignorant people, then.

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I hope I don't go to heaven. I want to go to hell where all the smart people, apparently, will be.

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There you go again, calling creationists ignorant. And again! You speak of evidence that you fail to reveal. I have to say you're really impressing and persuading me with your non-existent evidence.------------------
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Noone's forcing you or your children to do anything. I think you're a little paranoid.

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Really?My mother was suspended from school for refusing to stand during the Lord's Prayer. Public school, mind you.For some crazy reason, she didn't feel a Jewish woman should have to pray to a Christian god just to receive an education.