Creationists:: What would convince you that evolution has happened ?

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Originally posted by Jet:
I would find it difficult to conceptualize that this existance is all that there is and that there is no afterlife.

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But what does "difficulty imagining" have to do with reality? Quantum physics is difficult to conceptualize but the math works and test after test confirms it.

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... the crimes against little children, kidnapped, raped, and then brutally murdered, their bodies discarded like yesterdays trash. If that is the kind of world that you, or anyone else, truly desires to put your faith in then I pity your kind most above all creatures.

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This is not the world I desire, but you can't kick out the facts because they are unpleasant.It is interesting to me that you seem to consider God or religion to be a kind of bulwark against evil, yet it seems to me to be more often the source of violence and destruction than protection against it.And by pushing judgement into the afterlife you actually work against justice. Ideas like "kill them all and let god sort them out" come to mind.

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[This message has been edited by John, 06-12-2002]

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Originally posted by Jet:
Schraf writes:
OK, if you think that the reason little kids are victimized is because of the ToE, you are really, truly a nutcase.

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***You got that from reading my post and you think "I'M" the nutcase? Whatever dear. Believe whatever makes you feel comfortable.***

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Shalom

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Jet

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Jet wrote:"I refer to the crimes against little children, kidnapped, raped, and then brutally murdered, their bodies discarded like yesterdays trash. If that is the kind of world that you, or anyone else, truly desires to put your faith in then I pity your kind most above all creatures. I would not care to believe in such a world of lawlessness where there is no true consequence of action. That is why I must ultimately reject and totally deny any acceptance of such an inhumane concept as the theory of evolution."Um, please tell me how I am supposed to take this statement other than, "Little children are brutally murdered and tortured as a consequence of the acceptance of the Theory of Evolution."There is no ambiguity here, Jet, in what you meant.I can't wait to see how you try to explain this one away.------------------
"We will still have perfect freedom to hold contrary views of our own, but to simply
close our minds to the knowledge painstakingly accumulated by hundreds of thousands
of scientists over long centuries is to deliberately decide to be ignorant and narrow-
minded."-Steve Allen, from "Dumbth"

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The fact is I did answer. If your comprehension skills are somewhat lacking, don't blame me, blame your teachers. I have no intention of spelling things out as if I were speaking to a group of extremely immature elementary school children. TURN THE PAGE! Shalom Jet------------------
"A full frontal attack on the dumbing down so endemic in American society today. The book itself is dangerously close to being an example of the dumbth it attacks, but it is easy to read and may help to bring this problem to mind in a common sense sort of way. It is not all too intellectual, and not at all scientific."From A Review of the Book "Dumbth" by Steve Alle

Please refer to post #108 as it applies to you as well. Shalom Jet------------------
"A full frontal attack on the dumbing down so endemic in American society today. The book itself is dangerously close to being an example of the dumbth it attacks, but it is easy to read and may help to bring this problem to mind in a common sense sort of way. It is not all too intellectual, and not at all scientific."From A Review of the Book "Dumbth" by Steve Alle

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This is not the world I desire, but you can't kick out the facts because they are unpleasant.***What you consider facts, are in reality, fantasy and fabrication, IMHO. For additional comments, please refer to post #108.*** Shalom Jet------------------
"A full frontal attack on the dumbing down so endemic in American society today. The book itself is dangerously close to being an example of the dumbth it attacks, but it is easy to read and may help to bring this problem to mind in a common sense sort of way. It is not all too intellectual, and not at all scientific."From A Review of the Book "Dumbth" by Steve Alle

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Originally posted by Jet:
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What you consider facts, are in reality, fantasy and fabrication, IMHO. For additional comments, please refer to post #108.***

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Statements do not make facts-- or arguments, and all I've seen from you is a series of statements and a great many insults.I did refer to post #8. Why do I feel like I am trying to debate an immature elementary school student?------------------
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Originally posted by Jet:
....insult deleted....
I have no intention of spelling things out
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Jet

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Sorry, Jet, but spelling things out is exactly what debate requires. You cannot simple say "Well, you should already just know! (insert tongue sticking out)"The only people who should have a problem with this are people who CANNOT spell things out. Of course a very practical side effect of refusing the spell things out is that you can never be wrong. It is impossible to evaluate an argument that is never SPELLED OUT.------------------
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That was post #108, not #8. Please pay attention if you expect to continue to be responded to. Shalom Jet------------------
As we survey all the evidence, the thought insistently arises that some supernatural agency - or, rather, Agency - must be involved. Is it possible that suddenly, without intending to, we have stumbled upon scientific proof of the existence of a Supreme Being? Was it God who stepped in and so providentially crafted the cosmos for our benefit?Prof. George Greenstei

When I have the desire to discuss and debate with school children, I will visit the nearest elementary school. Until that time, I expect a certain degree of logic and reason to be employed by those I engage. I do not believe that is asking too much. Shalom Jet------------------
As we survey all the evidence, the thought insistently arises that some supernatural agency - or, rather, Agency - must be involved. Is it possible that suddenly, without intending to, we have stumbled upon scientific proof of the existence of a Supreme Being? Was it God who stepped in and so providentially crafted the cosmos for our benefit?Prof. George Greenstei

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Originally posted by Jet:
That was post #108, not #8. Please pay attention if you expect to continue to be responded to.

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oooo.... harsh aren't we... ?Typo... I went to #108 and followed the thread all the way back.But actually, unless you plan to say something meaningful, I'd rather you not respond.You can look down on us poor school kids from your obviously wiser perch, but the fact remains that you are NOT SAYING ANYTHING.------------------
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That was post #108, not #8. Please pay attention if you expect to continue to be responded to.

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Let me get this straight. You'll no longer respond to people who make errors in typing?Good grief!--Percy

Jet writes:

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When I have the desire to discuss and debate with school children, I will visit the nearest elementary school. Until that time, I expect a certain degree of logic and reason to be employed by those I engage. I do not believe that is asking too much.

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So your answer to John's request for clarification is that due to a deficit in logic and reasoning he isn't worthy?Unbelievable!Hey, moderator, Precipitate or whatever your name is, how about putting together a Survivor type format and let us start voting people off the board!--Percy

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As we survey all the evidence, the thought insistently arises that some supernatural agency - or, rather, Agency - must be involved. Is it possible that suddenly, without intending to, we have stumbled upon scientific proof of the existence of a Supreme Being? Was it God who stepped in and so providentially crafted the cosmos for our benefit?Prof. George Greenstei

If that is your honest opinion then please, by all means, stop responding to my posts. Shalom Jet------------------
As we survey all the evidence, the thought insistently arises that some supernatural agency - or, rather, Agency - must be involved. Is it possible that suddenly, without intending to, we have stumbled upon scientific proof of the existence of a Supreme Being? Was it God who stepped in and so providentially crafted the cosmos for our benefit?Prof. George Greenstei

Funny! Shalom Jet------------------
As we survey all the evidence, the thought insistently arises that some supernatural agency - or, rather, Agency - must be involved. Is it possible that suddenly, without intending to, we have stumbled upon scientific proof of the existence of a Supreme Being? Was it God who stepped in and so providentially crafted the cosmos for our benefit?Prof. George Greenstei