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Author Topic:   Should we let Hubble Telescope die?
Silent H
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Message 16 of 27 (180142)
01-24-2005 7:49 AM
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01-24-2005 7:32 AM


Re: new design first
that would be the place to set up a space station
Oh, my mistake. I thought you meant put a manned base on Titan, not a space station by or around it.
Actually that is a fantastic idea. You are right about fuel and the vantage point of studying both a rocky planetoid with atmosphere and a gas giant at the same time would be unbeatable.

holmes
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Message 17 of 27 (180313)
01-24-2005 7:06 PM
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01-24-2005 5:13 AM


Re: new design first
holmes writes:
Before more Titan missions I'd rather see some sub-ice missions to Europa. Visions and data from an off world sea which might actually be water, would be very very cool.
I have seen this discussed before. The amount of data they would get, not to mention the fact that they'd be exploring another world's oceans boggles my mind.

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Phat
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Message 18 of 27 (184811)
02-13-2005 6:53 AM
Reply to: Message 15 by RAZD
01-24-2005 7:32 AM


Re: new design first
RAZD writes:
we now have technology to combine images electronically to create a larger virtual diameter telescope able to resolve much finer details.
Its kinda like putting money into the old car until we can afford the new one. As for Hubble:
1) Does it pay its way by what it accomplishes?
2) Is there any risk of wasting money by refurbishing it?
3) Might private funds to refurbish it be raised and the telescope used by various timeshare clients?
4) Does Dubya ever know how to wisely spend U.S. money???

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RAZD
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Message 19 of 27 (184816)
02-13-2005 7:15 AM
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02-13-2005 6:53 AM


Re: new design first
I think anything that increases out knowledge of the universe - a one time cost for a forever known - pays for itself, and the Hubble has done that.
re 4 - does he know how to spend any money wisely? seems to me all his "private" company attempts were failures if I recall ...
what concerns me is taking money out of the program altogether, whether it is to refurbish or replace.

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Message 20 of 27 (185024)
02-14-2005 2:38 AM
Reply to: Message 8 by RAZD
01-23-2005 9:03 PM


Re: new design first
RAZD writes:
quote:
consider a new space telescope that is not one satellite but four or six in sychronous orbits and time synched
I love the idea; from the parallax alone we'd get all sorts of new information. I tend to spring to the defense of Hubble, though, since I don't think any such project as you propose is under consideration (correct me if I'm wrong; I'd be delighted to know).
I suspect that there may be some influence of the religious right on the White House plans to scrap Hubble. Those photos are awfully difficult for fundies to explain in the context of the bible. I think they may see martian projects as less threatening.

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RAZD
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Message 21 of 27 (185049)
02-14-2005 7:21 AM
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02-14-2005 2:38 AM


Re: new design first
especially now that we know there are no canals there...

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Phat
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Message 22 of 27 (185058)
02-14-2005 8:23 AM
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02-14-2005 7:21 AM


Re: new design first
Everyone knows that the Devil lives on Uranus!

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jar
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Message 23 of 27 (185112)
02-14-2005 12:04 PM


We've already built the parts for the upgrade.
Do all of you understand that we have already built (in fact they were completed before the shuttle disaster) all of the parts needed to upgrade Hubble? Those parts sit and have sat, on the shelf deteriorating while we speak. The biggest part of the costs has already been spent. The only remaining issue is whether or not humans should attempt the upgrade and repairs.
If the shuttle is recertified for use, yet we find it too dangerous to use for rendezvous type missions, what the hell is it's purpose?

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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Silent H
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Message 24 of 27 (185150)
02-14-2005 1:38 PM
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02-14-2005 12:04 PM


Re: We've already built the parts for the upgrade.
I was not aware of this fact. That changes everything. Truly if we are too scared to run an upgrade mission for a system that has already produced so much, with parts we already have, then we have wasted money in both the shuttle and Hubble.

holmes
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"...don't believe I'm taken in by stories I have heard, I just read the Daily News and swear by every word.."(Steely Dan)

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jar
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Message 25 of 27 (185155)
02-14-2005 2:00 PM
Reply to: Message 24 by Silent H
02-14-2005 1:38 PM


Re: We've already built the parts for the upgrade.
Here is a recent editorial on the issue. We have all the stuff sitting on the shelf deteriorating. It is all designed and built specifically for Hubble and everything but the knowledge gained is wasted if we don't use it.
If the shuttle is reduced to being simply a lift platform, then we need to scrap the concept and just used rockets. They are far less expensive and remove the human risk factor. But the whole point of the shuttle was to be able to place human talent, flexibility, ingenuity and creativeness on scene in space. If we are going to abandon that then let's just dump the whole manned space program.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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Silent H
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Message 26 of 27 (185165)
02-14-2005 2:32 PM
Reply to: Message 25 by jar
02-14-2005 2:00 PM


Re: We've already built the parts for the upgrade.
Sounds like an army commander that has given up on running necessary missions, because on the last one some of his men got killed.

holmes
"...what a fool believes he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away.."(D. Bros)
"...don't believe I'm taken in by stories I have heard, I just read the Daily News and swear by every word.."(Steely Dan)

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RAZD
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Message 27 of 27 (185322)
02-14-2005 8:49 PM
Reply to: Message 22 by Phat
02-14-2005 8:23 AM


Re: new design first
I thought that was where heaven was? (I have it on good authority from a fundie lady on another board. she also channels the holy spirit when she types {{it comes out in all caps for easy comprehension}} and so we take her word for it ... {{she's a sweetie unless riled up}})
SuZaNNe says so.

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