Pat Robertson shows again why the Christian Right is such a laughingstock

Hate to break it to you, but conservative Canadian reads pretty much like pinko in the red states

Right, because Pat is advocating a policy of assassination and plunder and Dean is advocating that we shouldn't be in Iraq on false pretense.If you call that a wash, I'd hate to see your laundry.

Yeah, that comes close to calling for the US to murder someone. This is exactly what I said with Tal, and you guys keep proving it.Those who are critics of the right, generally focus on actual issues and criticize that... laugh at that. Those who are apologists focus on mere mannerisms and wording of your opponents to the exclusion of their message.That's ad hominem.

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holmes
"...what a fool believes he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away.."(D. Bros)

Do you have any proof?See, that's the difference. Karl has testified under oath, so if he lied, he will be indicted.Clinton was FOUND GUILTY and lost his law liscence.This message has been edited by Tal, 08-25-2005 06:57 AM

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yes, but where you put your penis is not a matter of treason.

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I didn't say anything about that. The issue was lying under oath.Try and keep up.

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you try to keep up. MY point was the seriousness of the issue. i couldn't care less about the personal matters of my politicians. but the actual political concers, stuff that has to do with national security etc, i DO care about. one is gravely more important than the other.

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I really don’t understand why Robertson would make such statements. It flies in the face of a preacher’s mentality and it does not further his cause as a televangelists, (moral ground).

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Well maybe he's not really a preacher, then.He does use the veneer of being a preacher to get conservative Christians to listen to him and trust hiom, though.

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He is not part of the State department

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Since when did that ever stop any political hack from saying stuff like that? Ann Coulter said something similar years ago and nobody on the right batted an eye because she said it about Muslims:

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so why promulgate absurd foreign policy statements like that?

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Of course, he doesn't think that such statements are absurd.

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OTOH, he has done it before with similar foot-in-mouth comments and it doesn’t seem to hurt his popularity, (or donations). And he is entitled to foment any kind of opinion.

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He has advocated violence on numerous occasions, including making comments saying that government buildings aught to be blown up with nuclear bombs. When is the Right going to stand up to this guy and kick his wacko, racist, sexist ass to the curb?

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We’ve certainly seen similar extreme statements from the far left.

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Please quote some similar extreme statements from someone on the left (which is really the old middle) who has a similar position of political influence and power in the country as Robertson.

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I don’t know if Robertson was serious about his comments or if it was just rhetoric in response to similar ridiculous statements made by Chavez who said:

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If someday they {US}, get the crazy idea of coming to invade us, we’ll make them bite the dust defending the freedom of our land.

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Now I don’t think for one minute that Chavez is serious about this statement. It’s just rhetoric. Certainly the administration has not threatened to invade Venezuela nor are they under any sanctions imposed by the US. Chavez is just another dictator who is beating the drums to rally anti-American sentiment among his followers, (subjects).

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But, given the war in Iraq, and given the oil that Argentina has, why wouldn't the idea of a US invasion give Chavez a bit of pause?

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One thing that gets me about conservative reaction to him is the fact that he gets a pass whenever he works with liberal human rights groups, which he does from time to time. Why isn't that ever used against him? Cindy Sheehan is allied with a number of liberal groups, including human rights groups, and this is taken as a sign that she's nuts.

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Conservatives never seem to get upset when Pat suggests that god sends hurricanes to punish people who tolerate homosexuality, or that he sends tsunami to punish people who don't worship him properly (or whatever stupid reason he gave for god sending that wave - I've forgotten what it was now).

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But you've given an honest assessment and I appreciate that, especially since so many of the conservatives I know aren't condemning Pat but are rather harping on the MSM for even mentioning it.

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I just saw on the news last night a clip of Robertson blaming the national media for "misinterpreting" and "taking out of context" his statements about "taking out" Chavez and that he didn't really mean that we should actually assasinate him.Then MSNBC rolled the video of Pat saying something like, "Yeah, I think we should assasinate him".Big.Fat.Liar.

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Of course I start these types of arguments merely to stir up controversy! As a Christian, I would never support Pat Robertson or any political Christians in any degree!

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Yes you would, Phatboy.Didn't you just tell us a little while ago that you were listening to some super conservative Christian/political radio program (was it Robertson's?) and you were in support of it?

Who fucking cares? This seems like more typical right-wing "let's quickly change the subject and/or blame someone else" bullshit. Whether or not some radical Muslim Cleric retracts or apologizes or corrects or otherwise attempts to change what they have said has no bearing whatsoever on what Pat Robertson said. Is there some sort of mysteries connection between nut-job religious people such that they all somehow are tied together at the tongue?All I said was that Pat Roberston retracting what he said by lying about what he said is not really a retraction (and remember, I wrote that before his latest apology). And instead of addressing that issue you bring up a completely unrelated topic to somehow make Pat Robertson look better ("golly gee, he apologized") or some other such pathetic bullshit. You just can't say: "you know what FliesOnly, you're right". No, you've got to fire up the ole the right-wing bullshit spin machine.God, I despise this kind of shit. I leave this site for the day, come back the next morning and find that people on the right are bringing up Howard Dean, or that the Right is better than the Left, or that it's all ok cuz man is a sinner. WTF...Robertson has lost it...admit it...get over it, and stop shifting the conversation about how the Right is right.Edited to correct a spelling and typing errorThis message has been edited by FliesOnly, 08-25-2005 08:05 AM

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It robs the human spirit of the will to excel & achieve, it robs the gains of those who work hard & gives those gains to the idle,

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You mean, kind of like the publically-held corporation in which the workers bust their humps so the idle who own the stocks can gain?What would you say about a country's economy where millions of children go without enough food or any healthcare, yet around 90% of the wealth is controlled by only 2% of the people?This message has been edited by schrafinator, 08-25-2005 08:04 AM

Hey Flies, you are about 89 messages too slow.Your entire little tirade was answered in message 12.Try to keep up.

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My "tirade" was in respomse to your post 54Learn to count.

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I'm guessing here, but I think that you don't hear a lot of conservative outcry in situations like this mainly because those in the media who lean left do such a fine job of attacking that it hardly seems worthwhile to throw gas on the fire.

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Come on, mok, you know that's not true.Fox News has honed the fine art of "thowing gas on the fire", what with O'Reilly yelling at his guests and calling them all sorts of names, and calling people in the news "stupid", "idiotic", and worse.They don't attack one of their own because he's, well, one of their own. He's part of the team, and you never publically criticize part of the team.

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I might add that the same holds for the left when one of your own is spouting nonesense.

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Like what, who, and when?