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riVeRraT
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Message 46 of 50 (274406)
12-31-2005 12:59 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by robinrohan
11-03-2005 9:00 PM


eternal?
In other words, something or someone had to exist forever. As far as the notion that the universe came from nothing, that it created itself, I find this notion impossible. Nothing can come from nothing.
Forever is a term to describe a length of time.
But maybe there is another whole type of existance that doesn't include time. How can we understand that?
It's like before they knew the earth was round.
The Big Bang theory does not say to me if there is a creator or not. At one time though, I thought, wow big bang/Genesis what a coinsidence. But if our universe is a reciprocating one, one where it will stop expanding and then do it all over again, then it goes against the idea of a creator all of a sudden bringing the universe into existance.
But if our universe is one that constantly will expand "forever" then I would tend to think it was a creator that made it.
Either way there is no absolute, or an absolute answer, and I don't think that science has shown that there is a creator or not, again.
What came first, the chicken or the egg?

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One4Truth
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Message 47 of 50 (279033)
01-14-2006 7:36 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by robinrohan
11-03-2005 9:00 PM


Whether "they" like it or not!
Yes, for there to be a "Big Bang", there must have been a really "Big Banger"!
To reflect, ponder or postulate farther: The First Cause Argument by Peter Kreeft
Enjoy bangin' around in there a while! Its' fun! : )
One4Truth

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1.61803
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Message 48 of 50 (279348)
01-15-2006 11:47 PM
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01-14-2006 7:36 PM


Re: Whether "they" like it or not!
Thats only one possible scenario. Another one is that the big bang is a extension of a perpetutual flux of quantum events.
Or that the big bang is possibly the result of bumping up against the dimentional membrane/ or matrix of another universe.
Or the big bang was a spontaneously occuring event that resulted from a singularity.
And the list goes on.....in short nobody knows. But there is no shortage of people who think they have the ultimate knowlege on one of the most mysterious events to ever occur. A event that has be studied and probed by some of the most brilliant minds to ever live and even they are confounded. And saying Godidit is sufficent enough for some but I'd prefer something a little more convincing. If Science relied on Godidit for everything then what point would there be in any inquiry? **edit the spelling of possibly.
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"One is punished most for ones virtues" Fredrick Neitzche

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Jon
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Message 49 of 50 (280552)
01-21-2006 1:40 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by robinrohan
11-03-2005 9:00 PM


(1)Either the universe--in some form--has always existed or (2) it was created by a Being that has existed forever.
There is the possibility that the Being didn't always exist, but was instead Himself created by some other, natural, process, itself which had a beginning.
That's poorly worded; sorry, but it's the best my wee little brain could pump out at the moment.
As for this notion of multiple universes, how can this be? First, what is the Universe? I have always considered all that is, was and will be the Universe. The way I see it, this "universe" you are all talking about needs to be better defined. Is it the Universe as we know it (pretty small indeed), the Universe as it exists now (this would have to be redefined at every passing second), or the Universe after the most recent Big Bang, which could very well be the only Bang.
Second, the idea of one Universe creating "our" Universe is problematic for the reasons I said above. If there was "another" Universe before "our" Universe, then that "other" Universe is simply the Universe in a different form.
Clarifications perhaps?
Thanks,
Trék

In considering the Origin of Species, it is quite conceivable that a naturalist... might come to the conclusion that each species had not been independently created, but had descended, like varieties, from other species. - Charles Darwin On the Origin of Species

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atthisaddress
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Message 50 of 50 (281673)
01-26-2006 5:26 AM


Any smart religion won't hang their hat on any scientific theory. Besides, the trend in theology is to say that God is outside of time, space, energy and matter.

  
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