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Sorry charlie. And the Koran is very clear about that. He was a chosen prophet of GOD. "There is no GOD but Allah and Mohammusd is his Prophet" Mohammud was not a child molester. That is simply nonsense.If you would like to debate the issue of Islam, please start athread and I, as a Christian and Child of the Book, will be happy to stand up and support their position.But what does any of your rantings have to do with Mormons?

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Take a look at Koresh and Jim Jones, etc., and you will find that they espoused themselves rather than Christ. There's a big difference, well, I think there is.
By their works ye shall know them Matt 7:15, 16
....which prophesy out of their own heart...Eze. 13:17
Their focus was not Christ, therefore .... cult.

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"Let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit!"
2 Cor. 7:1

Happy for you, put them in a bowl, close your eyes, and pick one.
Maranatha!

There is no God but Distomesticus and Mogodandan is his prophet.I have enough of Islam to last me another lifetime.

So, as usual, when challenged, your response is to cover your ears and Nah-Nah-Nah?

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

No, I have limited time, then there is a degree of ennui that needs to be acknowledged and so does my tired soul. It is nothing personal. Sorry
My bits and pieces are enough for me.

And Joshua, do you really think it necessary to kill every one of those Amekalites, and Ai-ites,......

The eight nations of the Caananites were marked for extermination for cause. God marked them so. Do you know the cause/reason?
Islam wants to murder all dhimmis. Why?1.Islam is not a religion; it is a continuing criminal enterprise. Neither is it peaceful. Its chief canonical book: the Qur`an has three Suras (8,9 & 48) which are fully dedicated & devoted to the sanctification and mandate of Jihad.
2.Democracy involves equality before the law. Islam involves Dhimmitude: conquered Jews & Christians are considered sub-human; denied social & legal equality. They are not permitted to pray in public, construct or maintain churches or synagogues,
own or ride horses, own or carry weapons, hold government office or testify in court against Muslims who injure them.Democracy involves government of laws, not men. Islam considers man made legislation to be blasphemy.
3.The above mentioned Dhimmitude says it all, except that Dhimmitude also includes an annual 50% income tax and that Dhimis are subject to persecution and murder at the whim of the CaliphThere you go!

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"Let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit!"
2 Cor. 7:1

Except for the name, of course, which means "the way of peace". And it's your fluency in Arabic that leads you to this conclusion? Yup, there we go - proof that you've confused one interpretation of Islam with all manefestations of it.

Hi All,
This is a great discussion and one that hits right at home. I married into a huge Mormon family that goes back to the great migration West. My wife is no longer a member (in fact she is more confident in her rationalism than I am).I strongly disagree with LDS doctrine but find it no more intolerable than most Christian denominations (hell, alot more more tolerable than some). As was mentioned earlier, Mormon kids are taught theistic evolution as fact in most households. I also like their teaching that the afterlife for non-believers is still a really nice place, better than here. Punishment (aka Hell) is reserved for those that are revealed divine truth (prophets) and still reject it. That morally makes more sense to me in that it implies a more reasonable expectation on a flawed creation by their supposed maker.I really cannot understand how or why someone would call LDS a cult rather than a religion. Mormonism qualifies as a religion even by the ridiculous definition of a cult as not having Christ at the center.And the RCC not a religion???!! If not for the Catholic church Christianity would exist only as the tiniest footnote in archaeological journals focusing on ancient Greek history (okay, I don't know that for a fact but it's fun to dream). Protestantism evolved from the Catholic Church. The Christian Bible, short a few books, was compiled by the Catholic church. To not believe that the RCC is a religion (as in a false belief system with humans rather than God at the source) then the 'true' Christians today have to admit that their inerrant word of God was compiled (which books included, which discarded, what order, what versions of each books, etc.) by HUMAN BEINGS, and cultists to boot. (Actually, knock yourselves out with that one, we'll have something to agree about!)My disagreements with the LDS church is in its placement of white males as inherently superior. While that is no longer "official", it is still perpetuated. Mixed racial marriages are strongly dicouraged. The entire focus of the male as head of household is really at the root of the problems I observed within the church (not that Mormons have a monopoly on this). In practice this can (and does) lead to some really bad situations.There is a member of my wife's family who, over 30 years, molested all three of his children and at least four others. One of his daughters committed suicide at age 16. No charges have ever been brought up, the family just doesn't mention it. He was caught at least once with every child and did penance and was forgiven within the church. He is head of household and while it's not right to do what he did at least he didn't commit any mortal sins like not paying tithing. Worse part of this is now he gets to visit with, unsupervised, his three grandchildren. Their mother tells me it's perfectly safe because he is cured of his pedophillia (for real this time, not like the seven times before). I personally see the smug son of a bitch at family gatherings and think if he were half a man he would blow is brains out upon realizing what a waste of resources he is. (sorry, I get steamed about this)I realize that families of all beliefs can have someone like that. But I don't know a single Mormon family that doesn't have at least one fringe family member, or at least be close to a family that does. It's like the incidents with boys and RCC priests. One or two and you can say it was bound to happen sometime. But after dozens you realize that their is a skewed ratio, maybe something in the religion or in the power given to certain members is attractive to certain kinds of manipulative people (LDS and the Catholic priesthood both attract a majority of good people, I am referring to the minority). This is worsened by the safeguards within the system that seem to empower the abusers or at least protect them from the consequences of their acts.

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"Statistics are like a bikini. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." Aaron Levenstein

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simply put, john is blasphemous. no man may claim to be god. jesus walks around full of himself and saying how he is god and people should follow and worship him, and this simply does not match with anything jesus said in any of the other gospels, including the apocryphal ones. i, and a few others i've talked to, do not believe john to be a factual portrayal of his words, but more of a propaganda pamphelet telling you about jesus.

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in the other gospels, jesus directs attention to the father, and calls himself "the son of man" not "the son of god" and NEVER "god." the second two were seen as blasphemy in his day, and the last certainly would have been. on top of that, jesus demonstrates clear separation from god. gethsemane is good evidence of this.

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jesus was not the sort to get around on technicalities. he came as an example, and running around saying you're god does not demonstrate the humble qualities he sought to teach. saying you're god is a sin, blasphemy. it's not ok, even you believe he is god. it's still a sin, and the jesus portrayed in john is a sinner and a hypocrite and a blasphemer, rightly punished by death.

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so i ignore john entirely.

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Hi Arachniphilia,
Taking the references that John wrote about Christ being God, please take your bible and look these references upMatt 22: 43-46. Jesus said he is the 'Son', not just of David, but from a source that made him David's lord eand that this had been so even when David uttered the words of Psalm 110Jsus the Messiah is decribed with divinity inthe old TestamentIsiah 7:14 and shall call his name Immanuel (God with us)
Isiah 9 : 6 He will be called wonderful, Counsellor, Mighty God..Philemon 2:6 Jesus was.. in the form of God..Colossians 2 : 9 For in him , the fullness of diety dwells bodilyActs 20:28 'God having purchased the church with his own blood'Mark 14 : 62 Are you the Christ, the Son of the Blessed One?
62 I am, said Jesus. And you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven.I AM to this answer is using God's name YHWHThis message has been edited by Mike_King, 07-22-2004 06:24 PM

When was Jesus called these names?Furthermore, I heared many Christians these days believe Isaiah was speaking about events in his own time, not to events in the future.
When you read Isaiah, it's obvious he's trying to comfort Ahaz with good omens from the near future, not with far future happenings which don't help him one bit.Lucy

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"Death & Dead" were found 827 times in 751 verses.Thats a Whole Lotta Suffering

yes please PG...start a thread on islam and state your claims and proofs as i could then bring some of my muslim friends over to this site to set you straight on a few thingsBTW they are not too be confused with "Nation of Islam" which is a cult and in many ways a lot like the mormons with their own prophet but from a black male perspective insteadand they also have just as many crazy beliefs that they swear by as well

I have no time to devote to it, sorry. But I would like to see your friends defend their beliefs and why Islam is synonymous with jihad.

need those parts that apply to me.
There are plenty of people who can translate the arab language into ours. Let the muslims come and deny the sura's quoted or explain their meaning.