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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1467 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
You don't photograph a spirit because a spirit/ghost/demon is not flesh and blood, nor matter as we know it for that matter. You photograph it and you get nothing because it's spirit -- not in our dimension. Since human eyes are essentially cameras, how do you expect these ghosts to be seen at all, then?
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1.61803 Member (Idle past 1504 days) Posts: 2928 From: Lone Star State USA Joined: |
Crash, dont you know the demons and spirits only show themselves in real time?? The photographs will not show up cuz dey aint got no matter to em..
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Denesha Inactive Member |
My car died yesterday while a fossil field session.
Sad day. Two hypothesis: 1 All cars should die one day or another. It's just bad luck. 2 A supernatural force try to keep me out of fossils collecting. A rational and a spiritual answer. Both answer won't change anything, as I will certainly replace this car (later). This is concrete reality. My belief is relegated to a non vital background role.It (belief) doesn't really matter in this case. Denesha
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Stephen ben Yeshua Inactive Member |
Denesha,
In good science, you have to take as evidence in support of an idea that which is consistent with the idea. Since demons, by definition, influence the evidence, you have to take this into account when you look at the evidence. To demand evidence that cannot exist if the idea is true, is to a priori reject the idea, unscientifically, or dogmatically. If you do not take time to think through the above statement, the hypothesis that the God, Jehovah, has created and is running this universe predicts that you will remain forever deluded. Lawyers want to win their case. Scientists want to know what is true. Which are you? Stephen
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Denesha Inactive Member |
Dear Stephen,
I love your style.According to you, I'm still searching false evidences of the false truth. You assume that the real truth is provided by your belief. I'm not sure that I'm wasting my time and if you don't mind, I'll seek and study a bit more fossils for the few years to come.I'll be glad to have the same discussion in ten or twenty years. Denesha
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Stephen ben Yeshua Inactive Member |
Denesha,
Fossils are good. Often hidden, and so finding them is something that you can do with or without their creator's help. You therefore have a great opportunity, as you look for fossils, to pray for guidance, or not. Do an experiment. Pray one week, not another, keep track of the finds. As long as your agenda is the truth about God, and decent, in the sense that if you discover He's "out there" and responsible for the neat fossils you are finding, you will treat Him with the love and respect He deserves, you ought to get good evidence for or against His reality. Stephen
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Denesha Inactive Member |
Ok Stephen,
You have not convinced me but I'll test your method.This is a minimal effort and doesn't cost anything really. Denesha
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1.61803 Member (Idle past 1504 days) Posts: 2928 From: Lone Star State USA Joined: |
Realize of course that if the finds are minimal on prayer weeks it will be because you did not REALLY believe them to be effective. If the finds are abundant on prayer weeks it will be because God exist and has granted your prayers.
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Denesha Inactive Member |
Dear 1.61803,
Are you trying to influence me?
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1.61803 Member (Idle past 1504 days) Posts: 2928 From: Lone Star State USA Joined: |
No.. just anticipating the next conversation after your experiment.
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Stephen ben Yeshua Inactive Member |
Denesha,
Don't be discouraged by 1.6etc. He/She doesn't yet understand how ad hoc explanations influence (or not) the plausibility of ideas. If you do the prayer experiment, and "things get worse" you will have to explain this effect of your proceedure, and then test that explanation. If there is no detectable difference, you can with a clear conscience forget the whole thing. The ball, if there is a ball, is in God's court. Check out "the best scientific method" in the "is it science?" section. Beware of scientific philosophical nihilists, that hate God so much that they will deny that we have any hope of finding the truth, just in case it turns out that God is true. Stephen
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1.61803 Member (Idle past 1504 days) Posts: 2928 From: Lone Star State USA Joined: |
I am a de-nihlist, I am in denile of my nihlism thank you very much!
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Stephen ben Yeshua Inactive Member |
1.61803
denile? Is this a river in Egypt? I hope so. Moses got his start there. S.
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1.61803 Member (Idle past 1504 days) Posts: 2928 From: Lone Star State USA Joined: |
Let he who is without spelling errors cast the first stone
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Abshalom Inactive Member |
Moses got his start in denile? Where'd you reed that, Stephen?
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