do you think that all these denominations switched from the 7th Day Sabbath to Sunday because they agree that the RCC had the authority to order the switch?
There are probably more reliable sources of information than South Park.
Such as the investigation by the Boston Globe into the massive cover-up by the Catholic Church of the sexual abuse of children by priests.
The movie, Spotlight (2015), tells the story of that investigation. They worked closely with the actual journalists who had conducted that investigation.
It starts with the movie trailer, which also appears on its own:
If you weren't so preoccupied with sucking up mass quantities of scum from the bottom, you wouldn't be so willfully ignorant (and willfully stupid).
quote:DAVIES: Tom McCarthy, Walter Robinson, welcome to FRESH AIR. Walter, I want to begin with you and talk about this remarkable story. How did it get started?
WALTER ROBINSON: It got started at the very end of July, 2001. The Globe got a new editor, Marty Baron, who came to us from the Miami Herald. And that's important because in Florida, virtually everything is public. And Marty got to Boston, and he read a column by Eileen McNamara about a case - lawsuits against a priest allegedly involved in sexual abuse in which the court records had been sealed by a judge. So the personnel records of the priest were not available publicly. And in her column, Eileen had written the truth may never be known. And to Marty Baron, that's like waving a red flag. And so in his very first news meeting in his first day at The Globe, he asked, has The Globe considered going to court to get these records? And of course, nobody had. And later that same day, he called myself and Ben Bradlee Jr., my superior, into his office and asked me as editor of the Spotlight Team, to have our team begin investigating the case of this one priest, Father John Goeghan. And we set out to do that, and very quickly discovered that Father Goeghan was the tip of a quite-large iceberg, that there were many, many other priests - we thought perhaps 15 or 20 at the time - who had done the same thing, yet the archdiocese had covered up their crimes by making secret settlements. And eventually, as we learned, we got it up to 70 priests and then 90 priests. And in the end, it turned out to be almost 250 priests.
quote:DAVIES: The film really captures the business of journalism. It's remarkable to me that so much of it is really about how reporters do their work. And I spent 20 years as a reporter for a daily paper, so I particularly appreciated this. And, Walter Robinson, one of the interesting things here is that this was before the age when everything was online. I mean, the Internet was around, but it wasn't like reporters could hit a few keys and get a lot of public records. And there's a fascinating part here where you guys had to go to old catalogs of the Catholic Church to find who the priests were who had been moved around. You want to just talk about that a bit?
ROBINSON: Sure. How quaint that seems nowadays. You know, we were dealing with an institution that had no public records. You couldn't send them a public records request. They operated in secret, and they were protected by the law. They didn't have to file tax returns. One thing they did do is they published an annual directory that was like a phone book. And it listed every parish in the archdiocese, and it listed every priest - about 1,500 priests. And each year, they published this. And we knew of several priests who we had done research on that they had been put in categories like sick leave, awaiting assignment in an archdiocese, like all others, that had so few priests that they couldn't afford to let anybody languish on the sidelines. So we finally said let’s take these directories, and let's find every priest who's ever been in one of these categories. And for everyone who's ever been in that category, we're going to create a record of every assignment he has ever had. And it took us three weeks of really hard work to do that. And in the end, we came up with records on 87 priests whose assignment patterns and such things as the sick-leave designation made us very suspicious that they had, in fact, molested children. And when the records finally came out in the following year, there was an amazing number of priests on that list, the vast majority, who matched up with those who had actually abused children. One of the things that I'm amused about by that - when we were doing that, we had a reporter, Matt Carroll, who was our computer-assisted reporter, who was entering information in his computer. And, you know, I'm a 20th-century guy, and I wandered over to his screen. And on his screen was something with vertical lines and horizontal lines, and I said, well, what is that? And he said, it's a spreadsheet. That was my - or our very first spreadsheet.
DAVIES: This is a film about journalism, and I wanted to ask you both if you have particular feelings about journalism in film - you know, either films that get it right or get it wrong. Walter Robinson, what about you?
ROBINSON: Well, I guess I'd have to say that most films about journalism don't get it right. I'm just delighted, as are my colleagues, that this film just nailed it. They - what we actually did is so accurately and genuinely portrayed in this film - the reporting steps we took, how making the sausage isn't always a pleasant task to watch, how reporters disagree with one another, how we stumble around in the dark, how, sometimes, we find the most important things quite by accident, how we make mistakes in our reporting and how we double back, but always, and certainly in this case, you know, with a mind - we have to get this story, and we have to get it out.
DAVIES: Walter Robinson directed The Boston Globe’s investigation into clergy child sex abuse. Tom McCarthy directed the film, “Spotlight” about that investigation. We’ll hear more after a break. This is FRESH AIR.
Building that spreadsheet. It took four long days for them to go through those Church catalogs and enter that data into the spreadsheet. They described it as the most mind-numbingly tedious work they had ever done and that they were amazed at how the director was able to make that scene look exciting.
I also remember this part of the interview about how over lunch the actors were carefully studying the journalists they were to portray:
quote:DAVIES: And that's Mark Ruffalo - also in there, Michael Keaton from the film "Spotlight," which is directed and co-written by our guest Tom McCarthy. And the Michael Keaton character, Walter Robinson, headed that investigative team. He's also our guest. Tom McCarthy, you put together this terrific ensemble cast, you know, Liev Schreiber and Mark Ruffalo and Rachel McAdams and Michael Keaton and Brian d'Arcy James, Stanley Tucci. How much contact did the actors have with the characters that they were playing, the reporters? And did you encourage that?
MCCARTHY: Look, these guys are pros. They take their job very seriously. And as soon as they were hired, they reached out. They found a way. I was usually hearing about it from the reporters themselves being like, hey, I'm sitting - Mark Ruffalo's up here, he's in my office, or Rachel McAdams is reaching out and asking me a lot of questions via email. And look, most people don't know who these reporters are. They're not public personas. But I can tell you to the one, these actors really capture the essence of each of them. It was really exciting work to watch take shape on set. And, you know, these reporters stayed involved not only though the script stage and the research stage, but they were on set all the time. And they just had a major impact, I think, on the authenticity of the film.
DAVIES: They were on set a lot?
MCCARTHY: Yeah, yeah, it was great. Yeah we would have them...
DAVIES: Just because they wanted to be there or why?
MCCARTHY: They wanted to be a part of it, and we wanted them there, specifically Robby and Mike were probably up there the most. Even Marty Baron made it up - took some time out of The Washington Post. And I remember one day we were talking about one of the penultimate scenes in the film in Marty's office. And it starts with Marty correcting copy, and we're like, blue pen, red pen, blue pen, red pen, what would they use? And I was like, well, there's Ben Bradlee Jr., why don't we ask him? And Ben was like, red. So red it was. And every little detail like that matters. We had a very special day, Dave, the first day we moved into the "Spotlight" set, which we had to build. Steve Carter built this massive reproduction of the newsroom and of the Spotlight office, which is a small office where the four reporters worked tucked away in the bowels of The Globe. And the first day we went on set, the reporters were there with us. And it was just so fascinating to watch both them and the actors explore the space for the first time. And they sort of just automatically gravitated to their desk. And I don't even think they realize this, but to the one, they started rearranging the desk as they would've had it. It was really great to watch.
And of course that's just one investigation into a far more extensive system of abuse and coverup by the Church. Nor is such abuse restricted to the Catholic Church; they're just so much larger, better organized, and wealthier than other churches.
Stand-up joke at the time:
quote:At one time I seriously considered becoming a priest, but then realized that it just wasn't for me. I'm just not sexually attracted to young boys.
BTW, South Park did do a bang-up job on Scientology, so don't try to sell them short. They have infinitely more on the ball than you do -- though you do set a very low bar.
I watched quite a few clips from the movie, as well as interviews such as this one:
The Catholic Church is much greater than its weaknesses...but I feel that the coverup of the Priests and ignorance towards the victims is and was reprehensible.
Cardinal Law was well aware of the abuse within Boston, yet the Vatican transferred him to the second largest church in Rome--behind only St.Peters itself.
Dredge, you have to admit that Roman Catholics are as likely to be sinners as folks in any other church and are not superior in any way. Only Jesus is superior to the rest of humanity. And knowing Jesus does not absolve any of us of our responsibility to our community. It deepens it, it anything.
Dredge, you have to admit that Roman Catholics are as likely to be sinners as folks in any other church and are not superior in any way.
When did I ever claim otherwise? Catholics are sinners just like everyone else ... which doesn't disprove my claim that the CC is the one, true Church founded by Jesus Christ.
Yes indeed ... the unholy altar-boy-molesting homosexuals hiding amongst the Church's clergy have done a great deal of damage. Weed out the queers and the problem will become virtually non-existent.
Catholics are sinners just like everyone else ... which doesn't disprove my claim that the CC is the one, true Church founded by Jesus Christ.
Catholics are people just like everyone else. People founded the RC Church, not gods. The RC Church is behaving like any other manmade corrupt and insular cult that believes itself to be beyond the laws of man. And it's been that way since its beginning.
What kind of lessor god would build and tolerate such a thing?
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine.
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed. Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
Yes indeed ... the unholy altar-boy-molesting homosexuals hiding amongst the Church's clergy have done a great deal of damage. Weed out the queers and the problem will become virtually non-existent.
One of the many things that sicken me about you fundamentalists is how totally un-Christian you are. I'm an atheist, but I'm ten times the Christian you are.
Putting aside the disgusting prejudice displayed in your statement, the Roman Catholic Church as an institution did the opposite of “weeding out the queers”, it hid them, protected them and moved them around so that they could abuse even more. It put - and is still putting - its own brand management above its duty to protect children.
A very human and corrupt institution - no god involved.
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine.
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed. Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
Dredge, this is in response to Colossians 2:16-17. It reads:
"Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holiday, or of the new moon, or of the Sabbath days."
"Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ."
Paul was addressing a heresy by false teachers, who had wormed their way into the church at Colosse.
They were introducing their own religious philosophy, which was deceiving the Colossian Christians.
The false teachers were steeped in ascetism. They believed that denying the body would bring them spiritual enlightenment.
It is important to note (verse 13) that the majority of Colossian Christians were Gentiles.
They were enforcing their man-made doctrines upon the Christians at Colosse.
Vs. 21 "Touch not; taste not; handle not.
The Christians at Colosse were observing the holy days and Sabbaths in a joyous and festive manner. Sabbaths are feast day. They ate and drank in gladness.
Notice that "meat" in vs. 16 is from "brosis," which refers to the act of eating. It has absolutely nothing to do with the kind of meat/food.
Also, new moons are not holydays. They are the method in which to keep track of the holydays.
Vs.16 says to let no one judge you in respect of these days.
The Colossian Christians had respect for the holydays and the Sabbath days.
Paul said not to let the ascetic philosophers judge them.
Verse 17 states that these holydays and Sabbaths are a shadow of things to come.
They are not shadows of things done away with.
Paul advised the Christians at Colosse to focus their energy on Christ, and not the false teachers.
Paul admonished the Christians not to let anyone spoil them through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
Nowhere does the Bible refer to the holydays and Sabbaths as "rudiments of the world."
Paul observed the Sabbaths and holydays, as does my Church.
The holydays outline God's plan of salvation for us.
Richard Dawkins, The God Delusion:
There is a sense in which we animals have to survive not just in Middle World but in the micro-world of atoms and electrons too.
The very nerve impulses with which we do our thinking and our imagining depend upon activities in Micro World. But no action that our wild ancestors ever had to perform, no decision that they ever had to take, would have been assisted by an understanding of Micro World.
If we were bacteria, constantly buffeted by thermal movements of molecules, it would be different. But we Middle Worlders are too cumbersomely massive to notice Brownian motion.
Similarly, our lives are dominated by gravity but are almost oblivious to the delicate force of surface tension. A small insect would reverse that priority and would find surface tension anything but delicate.
Dredge, the RCC also rely on Acts 20:7 to show that Sunday is the new worship day, replacing the seventh day Sabbath
Acts 20:7 "And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight."
The assumption is that "to break bread" is synonymous with the Lord's Supper.
Furthermore, they assert the this was a Sunday-go-to- meeting in which they broke bread, which signifies that they observed the Lord's Supper.
However, the Lord's Supper is nothing but the Passover meal.
Passover always begins in the evening on the 14 day of Nissan. And, the feast of unleavened bread begins the very next day.
These are fixed dates.
Notice in Luke 22:14 "And when the hour was come, He sat down, and the twelve Apostles with Him."
15. "With desire I have desired to eat this Passover with you before I suffer."
In verses 17-19 Jesus gave them wine and brake bread, which represented His shed blood and His body.
Instead of roasting a lamb without blemish, Jesus replaced it with wine that represented His blood and unleavened bread that represented His body.
But, make no mistake, this was the Passover meal. And, It is observed once a year on the 14th of Nissan.
It is important to notice verse 6, where it is recorded that this particular "first day of the week" was shortly after the days of unleavened bread.
This signifies that Passover had just passed; thereby, Paul and the other disciples did not meet to partake of the Lord's Supper (Passover), but to eat a meal.
there are many examples in the NT where the expression "Break bread" was equated with eating a meal.
Acts 2:42, 46; Matthew 14:19 & 15:36; Mark 6:41; 8:6, 19. also Luke 9:16.
Bread was not sliced at that time. One would simply break a piece off.
Paul and the other disciples met shortly after sundown on Sunday, which we would equate as Saturday on our calenders.
Remember that God's day began at the going down of the sun.
Paul was leaving the next day. They got together to hear him speak; also, to eat a meal, which verse 11 stated that they did.
It is interesting that in the daylight hours on this first day of the week, Paul walked 18-19 miles to reach Assos.
What you don't have are the traditions handed down from the Apostles, some of which are not obvious in the Scriptures or are completely lacking in Scriptural support. Only the Catholic Church knows what those apostolic traditions are, because only the Catholic Church was there from the beginning. Sunday - not Saturday - worship is one such tradition handed down from the Apostles.
Without the knowledge and guidance of the Catholic Church, and by relying on the Bible alone, you can't possibly know all that the Apostles taught and practised, and can't possibly know or practise authentic Christianity. Your amateurish, hill-billy version of Christianity (which sounds a lot like Armstrongism) is deeply flawed and fake.
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