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Cthulhu
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Message 31 of 112 (105974)
05-06-2004 3:33 PM
Reply to: Message 25 by cloud_strife
05-06-2004 3:07 AM


It's somewhat of a joke, but I'm still serious. There are living members of the clade Dinosauria around today, but they are usually not recognized as such by the general populace. The present-day dinosaurs are called birds.

Ia! Cthulhu fhtagn!
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Denesha
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Message 32 of 112 (105980)
05-06-2004 3:45 PM
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05-06-2004 7:39 AM


Re: Naturalistic
Well, examples are fine. But I just noticed that Ica stones are added to this compilation. These stones are false.

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almeyda
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Message 33 of 112 (106183)
05-07-2004 2:52 AM
Reply to: Message 30 by JonF
05-06-2004 10:27 AM


Re: ...
Heres some AiG information on dinasaurs. Remember that Evolutionists have not proved what they say about Dinasaurs but only fitted the facts to a Evolutionist framework. Exactly what Creationists also do fitting it in to the Bible. We can always trust Gods word
Missing Link | Answers in Genesis (How old are the bones?)
Answers in Genesis (Blood cells discovered in a dinasaur?)
Answers in Genesis (Evolutionists question the discovery of blood cells)
What Happened to the Dinosaurs? | Answers in Genesis (What happened to the dinasaurs?)
Dinosaurs and the Bible | Answers in Genesis (Do dinsaurs fit into the Bible?)

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Message 34 of 112 (106188)
05-07-2004 3:40 AM
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05-07-2004 2:52 AM


Links
You are at least attempting to do a bit more than post bare links. However, it would be nice to see a bit more discussion. The few words you do have are hardly discussion.
I believe you were told that the dinosaur blood is incorrect. If you disagree you will have to go to the original source paper refered to by AIG and show that what AIG claims is actually what is in the paper.

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NosyNed
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Message 35 of 112 (106189)
05-07-2004 3:44 AM
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05-07-2004 2:52 AM


Blood Cells?
Blood cells discovered in a dinasaur[sic]?)
You are right to put a question mark on the end of that. There were no blood cells discovered in a dinosaur.
This is the abstract of the paper refered to by AIG.
from: Just a moment...
quote:
Six independent lines of evidence point to the existence of heme-containing compounds and/or hemoglobin breakdown products in extracts of trabecular tissues of the large theropod dinosaur Tyrannosaurus rex. These include signatures from nuclear magnetic resonance and electron spin resonance that indicate the presence of a paramagnetic compound consistent with heme. In addition, UV/visible spectroscopy and high performance liquid chromatography data are consistent with the Soret absorbance characteristic of this molecule. Resonance Raman profiles are also consistent with a modified heme structure. Finally, when dinosaurian tissues were extracted for protein fragments and were used to immunize rats, the resulting antisera reacted positively with purified avian and mammalian hemoglobins. The most parsimonious explanation of this evidence is the presence of blood-derived hemoglobin compounds preserved in the dinosaurian tissues.
AIG was, at best, extremely misleading in what you referenced. Myself I would call it lying.

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redwolf
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Message 36 of 112 (106242)
05-07-2004 9:07 AM
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04-03-2004 3:48 PM



"Hey guys, just wanted to see what you thought about this. I'm discussing how dinosaurs could not have been alive with Noah in the flood. And he showed me this link. I'm not sure how credible this is, or if any of it is true."
For starters, you have recognizable dinosaur types drawn on canyon walls and in caves and around rivers at numerous North American sites.
Humans and Dinosaurs Together. . .
Then you have the ica stones, consisting of tens of thousands of ornate pieces of pottery and similar artifacts with complex designs clearly showing dinosaurs:


You have descriptions of a number of things (Reem, Ziz bird etc.) which could only be dinosaurs in midrashim (very ancient Jewish literature), see volume I of Louis Ginzberg's "Legends of the Jews".
You've got dinosaur and human tracks together around Glen Rose Texas.
A lot of stuff turns up for that one, do your own google search on 'paluxy' and 'dinosaur' and check it out. The evolutionist claims that all such evidence is fake ring pretty hollow at this point.
I mean, basically, there is a lot of dinosaurs evidence for evolutionists to be in denial about these days.

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redwolf
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Message 37 of 112 (106243)
05-07-2004 9:13 AM
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05-07-2004 3:44 AM


Re: Blood Cells?

"AIG was, at best, extremely misleading in what you referenced. Myself I would call it lying."
De Nile:

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gene90
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Message 38 of 112 (106268)
05-07-2004 11:22 AM
Reply to: Message 36 by redwolf
05-07-2004 9:07 AM


The problem with stylized images on pottery is that the interpretation of those images is subjective. What looks to you like a dinosaur on one of those images looks more like a lizard to me. All you have to do is exaggerate the legs on your art and people make the assumption it is a dinosaur.
The problem is that humans are recent and the latest living dinosaurs were no more recent than the first two million years of the Paleocene (and that is hotly debated, most paleontologists have them extinct literally at the K/T boundary).
What you need is direct, unmistakeable fossil evidence, such as a folsom point lodged in a dinosaur fossil. Or human remains in Cretaceous deposits. That would be preferable.
But you could do the same thing if you found bone beds from dinosaurs with modern pollens. We don't find that. Actually, that's what caused the Paleocene dinosaur stir, they found pollens that don't occur until immediately after the K/T boundary in dinosaur fossil beds. If you could do the same with MODERN pollen then you'd have a case much more solid than subjective interpretation of the works of the vivid imaginations of the ancients.
My problem with this track (the Taylor track) is that the creature's feet were the same size as the three-toed dinosaur next to it. We need a sense of scale of some kind. Normally, a lens cap, a rock hammer, a ruler, or a person standing next to the object in question. In this case a human foot would be most appropriate.
While I'm here, I just wanted to point out that your image of the Nile shows some interesting geology.
You do realize that with water gaps, as that image appears to show, the only way the scenario could occur is if the mountains were pushed up millimeters at a time while the Nile was eroding through all the while? Catastrophic floods don't cut narrow gaps or channels, they blanket in sheets.
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Message 39 of 112 (106271)
05-07-2004 11:26 AM
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05-07-2004 11:22 AM


Gene90, you took the words right out of my mouth... I mean my fingers... and keyboards.

The Laminator

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redwolf
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Message 40 of 112 (106272)
05-07-2004 11:44 AM
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05-07-2004 11:22 AM



"The problem with stylized images on pottery is that the interpretation of those images is subjective. What looks to you like a dinosaur on one of those images looks more like a lizard to me...
If this looks like a lizard to you, I would recommend you have your perscription for eyeglasses redone:

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NosyNed
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Message 41 of 112 (106275)
05-07-2004 11:49 AM
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05-07-2004 9:13 AM


Responses
Don't expect any responses from me. I gave you up as not being worth the effort awhile ago.
I'm sure others will be glad to continue to engage you.

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JonF
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Message 42 of 112 (106277)
05-07-2004 11:51 AM
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05-07-2004 11:22 AM


Catastrophic floods don't cut narrow gaps or channels,
Nor do they cut meanders, as shown at the top of the photo.

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gene90
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Message 43 of 112 (106278)
05-07-2004 11:53 AM
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05-07-2004 11:44 AM


quote:
If this looks like a lizard to you, I would recommend you have your perscription for eyeglasses redone
Nope, that's a dinosaur.
The problem is with that stone's authenticity. For me, the most obvious problem is that lack of patina on the carved surface.
Ica Stones - The Skeptic's Dictionary - Skepdic.com
The genuinely ancient stones are the ones that portray lizards.
Good catch JonF.
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Message 44 of 112 (106280)
05-07-2004 11:56 AM
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05-07-2004 11:44 AM


Looks like a lizard to me...

Asgara
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gene90
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Message 45 of 112 (106283)
05-07-2004 12:03 PM
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05-07-2004 9:07 AM


These are the ones that I'm calling lizards.
Those would have been some big snakes.
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