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Theodoric
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Message 46 of 150 (237090)
08-25-2005 10:46 PM
Reply to: Message 42 by randman
08-25-2005 10:29 PM


Re: What's a little murder between brothers and sisters in Christ?
I cannot believe the audacity you have. You are putting Chavez in the same realm as Adolf Hitler. Do you know how ridiculous that sounds? We did try to assassinate Hitler. Most of the world was at war with him. Chavez is a populist, leftist leader of a major oil producing country. Oil companies hate him.
Quit trying to colour the conversation here, by trying to justify Robertson, by equating what he said to what we may have done to Adolf Hitler. It is reprehensible.

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Faith 
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Message 47 of 150 (237091)
08-25-2005 10:46 PM
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08-25-2005 9:03 PM


Re: Hypocrites, one and all
Keep whistlin' in the dark jar, must make you feel better to consider yourself so superior.

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Nuggin
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Message 48 of 150 (237092)
08-25-2005 10:48 PM
Reply to: Message 42 by randman
08-25-2005 10:29 PM


Re: What's a little murder between brothers and sisters in Christ?
The old would you shoot Hitler question...
Here's the answer -- No.
There are other solutions. Try to change his mind. Kidnap Hitler. Etc.
Now, here's the bigger problem with this question. While I am certainly not a Hitler fan / Nazi apologist, I wonder if shooting Hitler in the 30's would have stopped WWII and the Holocaust from happening? Are they the result of one man's will or the results of geo-political conditions coming to a boiling point.
I don't pretend to know the answer, but I know that you also do not know the answer.
So, shooting Hitler would not necessarily make a difference, and it would be a morally wrong thing to do. Sounds like the answer is pretty clear.

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joshua221 
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Message 49 of 150 (237093)
08-25-2005 10:48 PM
Reply to: Message 43 by Faith
08-25-2005 10:33 PM


Re: Well, I cannot defend Rev. Robertson, Faith
quote:
What gives you such a sense of your own moral superiority that you feel free to pass judgment on the entire nation anyway? That's the problem with the Left. They are prissily holier-than-thou on all the wrong things, have no idea what it means to give the benefit of the doubt, and have no basic perspective on human nature or what's truly good and bad in a fallen world. I get tired of the way you all look down your noses at mere human beings as if you were god yourself. Grow up kid.
quote:
What gives you such a sense of your own moral superiority that you feel free to pass judgment on the entire nation anyway?
Sorry about that seriously, sometimes I get a little crazy with my posts here, and I forget about the splinter in my eye. Don't ignore the obvious issues with our nation, we are as Rome was, we are spoiled, and we don't care about the rest of the "underpriveledged" world. Well, wait, we do care, we care about the stuff that we can get from the rest of the world.
But that doesn't mean I'll ignore the substance in your reply.
quote:
That's the problem with the Left. They are prissily holier-than-thou on all the wrong things, have no idea what it means to give the benefit of the doubt, and have no basic perspective on human nature or what's truly good and bad in a fallen world.
Stop generalizing here, you are hypocritically not giving those who you call the "left" the "benefit of the doubt".
quote:
I get tired of the way you all look down your noses at mere human beings as if you were god yourself.
Seems to me, that you do the same thing to the "left". Again...

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Theodoric
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Message 50 of 150 (237094)
08-25-2005 10:48 PM
Reply to: Message 44 by Faith
08-25-2005 10:35 PM


Why do you assume it is oneupmanship? Is he incapable of doing something humanitarian, because he is a leftist? Read about him, learn about him. He isn't perfect but a hell of a lot better than a lot of our politicans. More importantly. The majority of his people support him.

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Nuggin
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Message 51 of 150 (237095)
08-25-2005 10:51 PM
Reply to: Message 43 by Faith
08-25-2005 10:33 PM


Re: Well, I cannot defend Rev. Robertson, Faith
I get tired of the way you all look down your noses at mere human beings as if you were god yourself. Grow up kid.
Kettle, it's me Pot. You're black.
Gotta love it when one of the "I'm saved, you're not" crowd tells you that you are "holier than thou". Too funny.

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joshua221 
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Message 52 of 150 (237096)
08-25-2005 10:56 PM
Reply to: Message 51 by Nuggin
08-25-2005 10:51 PM


two of a kind
quote:
Gotta love it when one of the "I'm saved, you're not" crowd tells you that you are "holier than thou". Too funny.
You know, you're exactly like Faith in your posting. That's funny!
back and forth
back and forth
So tell me who's better again? The Left, or The Right?

porteus@gmail.com

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Faith 
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Message 53 of 150 (237097)
08-25-2005 10:58 PM
Reply to: Message 40 by Nuggin
08-25-2005 10:11 PM


Re: Hypocrites, one and all
Robertson runs an aid mission to impoverished people.

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Faith 
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Message 54 of 150 (237102)
08-25-2005 11:04 PM
Reply to: Message 49 by joshua221
08-25-2005 10:48 PM


Re: Well, I cannot defend Rev. Robertson, Faith
Sorry about that seriously, sometimes I get a little crazy with my posts here, and I forget about the splinter in my eye. Don't ignore the obvious issues with our nation, we are as Rome was, we are spoiled, and we don't care about the rest of the "underpriveledged" world. Well, wait, we do care, we care about the stuff that we can get from the rest of the world.
That is such a crock. America is the biggest all time giver of aid of every kind to the rest of the world, both as a government and as individual citizens.

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wj
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Message 55 of 150 (237103)
08-25-2005 11:09 PM
Reply to: Message 53 by Faith
08-25-2005 10:58 PM


Re: Hypocrites, one and all
faith writes:
Robertson runs an aid mission to impoverished people.
So? Does that give him any right to pass judgement on someone else and promote the murder of another person?
Perhaps the US and its constituents should keep their noses out of the business of another democracy.

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Faith 
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Message 56 of 150 (237104)
08-25-2005 11:13 PM
Reply to: Message 55 by wj
08-25-2005 11:09 PM


Re: Hypocrites, one and all
Please follow the context. I was answering an accusation. It has nothing to do with what Robertson said. I answered that long ago.

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joshua221 
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Message 57 of 150 (237105)
08-25-2005 11:15 PM
Reply to: Message 54 by Faith
08-25-2005 11:04 PM


so
quote:
That is such a crock. America is the biggest all time giver of aid of every kind to the rest of the world, both as a government and as individual citizens.
"biggest all time giver of aide of every kind"
Really? Because recently aide was given to Africa in a project developed by Bush and Blair, and African officials were stated as saying that we were sort of "holding out". Considering Britain, a far inferior country economically gave more money to the project.
Can you provide statistics?
We are the wealthiest country, wouldn't you think we COULD give more?
We also fund our soldiers to slaughter people living in IRAQ, is that a contradiction? We give arms to Israel to slaughter Palestinians, is that a contradiction? AMERICA IS NOT DOING THINGS FOR OTHERS, WE DESTROY OTHERS, OUR PEOPLE COULD CARE LESS, I HAVE TALKED TO PEOPLE HERE IN NEW YORK, A "BLUE" STATE, AND THEY TALKED ABOUT BOMBING THE MIDDLE EAST. We are not worthy of your praise, stop please.
Stop saying stuff like "That's BS", and "That's a Crock", and provide me with some evidence, or at least a viable opinion!

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Nuggin
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Message 58 of 150 (237106)
08-25-2005 11:46 PM
Reply to: Message 54 by Faith
08-25-2005 11:04 PM


Re: Well, I cannot defend Rev. Robertson, Faith
America is the biggest all time giver of aid of every kind to the rest of the world
False. Japan gives more than we do in numerically.
1. Japan $7.9 billion
2. United States $6.9 billion
Per Capita we come in 20th, behind -
1. Luxembourg $313.71 per person
2. Norway $304.80 per person
3. Denmark $300.05 per person
4. Netherlands $243.79 per person
5. Sweden $188.85 per person
6. Switzerland $146.87 per person
7. Belgium $103.43 per person
8. France $89.02 per person
9. Finland $72.55 per person
10. Ireland $70.47 per person
11. United Kingdom $69.48 per person
12. Germany $67.93 per person
13. Austria $63.53 per person
14. Japan $62.00 per person
15. Canada $60.96 per person
16. Australia $44.49 per person
17. Spain $32.96 per person
18. Portugal $25.64 per person
19. New Zealand $24.70 per person
20. United States $23.33 per person
And here's the list by percentage of GNP
1. Denmark $0.93 per $100
2. Netherlands $0.83 per $100
3. Norway $0.76 per $100
4. Sweden $0.66 per $100
5. Luxembourg $0.53 per $100
6. Switzerland $0.43 per $100
7. Belgium $0.33 per $100
8. France $0.31 per $100
9. Finland $0.25 per $100
10. Germany $0.23 per $100
11. United Kingdom $0.23 per $100
12. Ireland $0.22 per $100
13. Japan $0.21 per $100
14. Austria $0.20 per $100
15. Canada $0.19 per $100
16. Australia $0.14 per $100
17. Portugal $0.14 per $100
18. Spain $0.14 per $100
19. New Zealand $0.10 per $100
20. Italy $0.06 per $100
21. United States $0.05 per $100
But, you know, thanks for playing.
Thanks to nationmaster.com

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Theodoric
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Message 59 of 150 (237108)
08-25-2005 11:51 PM
Reply to: Message 58 by Nuggin
08-25-2005 11:46 PM


Re: Well, I cannot defend Rev. Robertson, Faith
That is such a crock. America is the biggest all time giver of aid of every kind to the rest of the world, both as a government and as individual citizens.
Typical of people who believe things blindly. Just like Pres Bush and his cohorts. If you say it enough times it becomes true doesnt it.
Again you have been shown wrong. Please, please check the facts before making these bold statements. You know someone here will research and get the truth.

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Nuggin
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Posts: 2965
From: Los Angeles, CA USA
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Message 60 of 150 (237110)
08-25-2005 11:54 PM
Reply to: Message 56 by Faith
08-25-2005 11:13 PM


Re: Hypocrites, one and all
What accusation were you supposedly responding to?
By the way, I noticed you completely skipped message 39 where I ask if Pat Robertson asks for donations from his viewers.

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