Gods Bible

Ok you've probably heard this question, but what are the chances that the bible was written by an intelligent person that had nothing to do, or that a super being made it for every one to know the rules of the world and how not to burn in hell.The point other than hope and fear what makes the bible real?Not hating, just want some point of views.This message has been edited by AdminSylas, 02-03-2005 00:49 AM

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What are the chances?
Hello, Antihero...BTW. Interesting name. Is an antihero the same as a villain? Or is an antihero just a non P.C. type of hero? You ask: I can't give you any odds on this one! Logic has disproven the Bible in many quirky ways, yet has not given a substitute that I would trust. My Belief is 100% in theory, yet as a Christian I have been found following "other gods" which would make some question my belief. I guess that I would tell you that the best way to settle this in your own mind is to just keep being open and asking questions---to everyone. God is real and will find you....and you will not be the worse for it! By all means think and use your mind, however! Don't get duped by organised religion. He DOES love you, however!
Hope this helps!

Looking at it from a non-religious point of view, it does indeed seem like pure hope. Many people with very deep faith do however claim to have some sort of link to God beside the bible, and as such talk to the author directly.I guess you'll have to make up your own point of view on this, because this is part of life where people's views vary too widely for any sort of definite answer.(Anti-hero means a main character that does not at all act like a hero but isn't evil. Often they manage to do good things without really intending to. Take for example Arthur Dent.)

Oh the bible is ‘real’; one can not disprove its existence in any of its many, varied forms. Just as you can not ignore the actual existence of the many other deeply important religious/nonreligious texts out there.It can also be proved that it was not the work of a single intelligent man with way too much free time on his/her hands, but an effort over hundreds of years by many hands.The problem comes when you try and ascribe anything of the divine to it, other than using its own claims to be the inspired word of god. After all a truly beautiful lady can inspire a man to write verse of truly sublime quality, but no one would seriously claim that the words written were her words and not that of the author, would they?I believe that asking, What makes the bible real?, is perhaps the wrong question, as it is undoubtedly real, it exists. I feel what you were asking is; other than hope and fear what makes the bible true ?Those of a Christian frame of mind, who believe in god, will take the claims of the bible as to the truth and existence of god at face value, as this confirms their belief, for them that is enough to make the bible true. For the Atheist, who doesn’t believe in a god, he looks at the bible’s claims and assertions of truths that he knows to be false, thus discounts the bible’s truth.The actual truth of the bible hangs totally on whether the god of the bible does in fact exist. As this question can not be satisfactorily be proven one way or the other then neither can the actual truth of the bible. But despite having a questionable truth, it is real.

Well IMHO it's pretty clear that the Bible was not written by "... an intelligent person that had nothing to do, or that a super being made it for every one to know the rules of the world and how not to burn in hell." It is an antholgy of anthologies, having many authors, many editors and put together is a somewhat arbitrary and capricious manner. That's a very open question and I'm not sure exactly what you're asking. I'll give it my best try though and you can tell me when I stray too far.The Bible is real because it exists just as the apple I ate was real and for the same reason. We have good evidence that much of it has existed for some thousands of years. Beyond that we enter the realm of faith.Christians have faith that certain parts of the Bible reflect an honest account of things that happened. We believe in GOD and in the actual existence of Jesus. We believe that the lessons taught in the Bible can be useful in directing our lives. But those are beliefs, not fact.If that is not what you were asking, try me again and I'll see if I can help.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

I think a more comprehensive way to put it is that the protagonist of a story is an anti-hero if he lacks "heroic" qualities, such as virtue, compassion, self-sacrifice. loyalty, etc. Villians are never anti-heroes because they're never protagonists; by definition they're always the antagonist.

Well my problem is that I’m kind of young and that I analyze things a lot. So If the bible is real
Then the first thing I get from it, reading it and thinking about it later on, is that the whole design
Of his way to heaven is poorly made. If the ways of the bible where true, then at least 50% of earths population would go to hell and suffer forever. How can you live in happiness forever knowing some
Of your friends and family are burning. How can you design a believe system based on fear.
Now I might be wrong and maybe I don’t understand , but I am still reading though sites
Like this because I fear the truth.And I have no idea where I came up with antihero haha. I play this online RPG and that’s my name.

Good post, Antihero. Well, some of us here wish we still had your problem. Anyway, in time, it will go away, that's one thing you can be sure of. That isn't a problem at all. In fact, it's a very effective way of getting solutions. Good analysis. Have you thought about some conclusions you might draw from this? Why do you fear? What do you think is the truth?

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We are all atheists about most of the gods that humanity has ever believed in. Some of us just go one god further. - Richard Dawkins

I think you might have misunderstood my post; slightly.I tried to make the distinction between ‘Real’ and ‘True’.While the bible is without a doubt ‘Real’; in that is exists in this world and is believed, by many to be the ‘true’ word of god, that undeniable existence does not impact on it’s truthfulness, or lack there of.Now, as you can’t justifiably claim the bible isn’t ‘real’; as we all know the book called ‘The Bible’ does in fact exist, we can, however, question what it claims to be ‘true’.As I said I believe your question was directed towards the ‘truth’ of the bible not it’s existence.Because I’m an Atheist and as such do not believe in the existence of the divine in any aspect, I find the claims of the bible to be ridiculous. As I believe there is no god anything that claims to be ‘god’s holy word’ has to be false, doesn’t it?

slim to none, considering that every indication is that bible is composed of multiple sources.

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As I believe there is no god anything that claims to be ‘god’s holy word’ has to be false, doesn’t it?

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Do the authors of the Bible truly claim that what they wrote was the word of God?If an author writes an account of what he did, said, heard, or researched concerning God, visions, or religious history does that make his writing the word of God?These authors pulled some of their information from other sources. Are those books considered the word of God also? The book "The DaVinci Code" is fiction and doesn't claim to be anything else. If someone else claims it is true, who made the false claim, the author or the other person?The book of Job is also a fictional story which is viewed as a true happening.IMO the claim of being God's word is not made by the authors, but by later religious leaders.

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A gentle answer turns away wrath, But a harsh word stirs up anger.

some are in the bible, too. chronicles refers to kings a number of times and isaiah at least once. kings refers to something like chronicles. (that makes me wonder...) kings also mentions deuteronomy.and of course, the nt quotes the ot a bunch of times.

The bible has many authors, and was inpired by God's Holy Spirit.If Jesus was just a smart person, or a guy with good morals, then he was a liar, because he claimed to be the son of God.Do not fear the truth, but seek it. When Jesus left he sent his helper for us the Holy Spirit, you can read about it Acts. The Holy Spirit is truth, and attainable to all of us. The truth wil reside in you, and be your freind.You mentioned about your friends going to hell. Well that's judging the whole world right there. Instead it might be up to you to come to know the Lord, and then share what you know with your freinds so that they may go to heaven.Study the bible, and other things too, and then compare them to real life, the truth will come through, peace.

What makes you think that he was smart, he seems pretty dense to me?What makes you think he wasn't a liar, he seems to have been economic with the truth at times.Did he claim to be the Son of God, or God, or both?But, you really should give up regurgitating old arguments such as the trilemma, because they have been refuted so many times that is is embarrassing when a Christian mentions it.Is this really the only three options possible for Jesus?Why couldn't he be a self deluded schizo?He certainly was the poorest example of a messiah that ever lived.you should study the Old Testament a bit more, then you will see why Jesus was no Messiah.Brian.