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redwolf
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Message 46 of 49 (106108)
05-06-2004 10:40 PM
Reply to: Message 45 by Dr Jack
05-06-2004 10:44 AM


In recorded history, the longest any one one government has lasted is probably the Byzantine empire, which lasted about a thousand years. The Christian church has lasted twice that long, primarily because the basic message which Christ taught is correct, and rings true in the hearts of men.
I wish I could tell anybody I had much of a history of being a Christian. I have finally arrived at Christianity via the servant's entrance and a sort of a process of elimination more or less, in other words, Christianity at long last appears to be one of those things like democracy which look increasingly better as you examine the possible alternatives. The alternatives appear to me to include Islam which I've no use for under any circumstances, Budhism which does not really answer many questions and has limited appeal outside of the orient, Judaeism which is a sort of a rich man's version which I can't afford, and the theory of evolution and doctrines based on it such as communism, naziism, and secular humanism, whatever that's supposed to mean.
The biggest hangup I used to have with Christianity was purely practical in that the idea of turning the other cheek did not seem conducive to survival where I was growing up and that was amplified by exposure to evolutionary ideas which made sense to me at first, along with the general paradigm of life as a constant struggle, and two of the best philosophers and writers I encountered early on, i.e. Nietzsche and Robert E. Howard, both viewed barbarism as man's natural state and anything else as a temporary abberation.
It is that part of it which I no longer believe, and the basic reality is that Nietzche's starting assumptions were simply wrong; there is nothing at all wrong with Nietzsche's logic. Richard Heinberg's "Paradise" and Julian Jayne's "Origins of Consciousness" both cast major doubt upon the idea of man's original state and nature being savage or barbarous; a careful study of very ancient history refutes it.

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Riley
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Message 47 of 49 (106186)
05-07-2004 3:09 AM
Reply to: Message 44 by redwolf
05-06-2004 10:32 AM


In a couple of places he either did (claim these "voices" are other than hallucinatory) or came within a micron of doing so.
From your website:
"Now, Jaynes assumed a purely evolutionary model and assumed that all of the phenomena which he described were "auditory hallucinations", and that mankind had simply evolved into a state in which human societies were governed by a well-ordered system of such auditory hallucinations."
That's plain. Jaynes is quite clear. If you want to argue that this area of the brain receives real information from somewhere, do so. But it's unsupportable to use Jaynes as "partial proof" of telepathy. That stands him on his ear.

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redwolf
Member (Idle past 5790 days)
Posts: 185
From: alexandria va usa
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Message 48 of 49 (106235)
05-07-2004 7:53 AM
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05-07-2004 3:09 AM


>But it's unsupportable to use Jaynes as "partial proof" of telepathy. That stands him on his ear.
That may seem obvious to YOU; it doesn't to me.

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TheNewGuy03
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Message 49 of 49 (112820)
06-04-2004 3:56 PM
Reply to: Message 48 by redwolf
05-07-2004 7:53 AM


wassup?
I feel ya, kid.

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