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ringo Member (Idle past 432 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
As I've asked you before, How could there be different standards for salvation? Why would the rich young ruler have to give it all up but Phat gets to keep enough to live in comfort? Evidently, you think that when Jesus talks about what He tells one individual to do, it applies to all of us. And note that in Matthew 25, all nations - i.e. everybody - is judged according to what they did for the least of these. Equal judgement, not preferred judgement for Phat.
Phat writes:
He portrays you as one who says, "Lord! Lord!" - i.e. one He never knew.
So how many other ways does Jesus portray me? Phat writes:
Anybody who has anything to sell is.
Am I a rich young ruler who needs to sell all I have? Phat writes:
You would be if you trusted Jesus and did what He said to do.
Or am I a destitute son with no money ... Phat writes:
You're misusing the parable. The prodigal son didn't go home because he missed the life he had. He didn't expect to get that life back. He went home because it was his last resort. He hoped his father wouldn't watch him die. ... who misses the life he had at his Fathers house?"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ringo Member (Idle past 432 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
You're contradicting Jesus. ...I would imagine that we will be judged not only on what we *do* vs what we could have done but on our honesty regarding our beliefs...."I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ringo Member (Idle past 432 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Yes.
Is it a sin to love my family and close friends and perhaps my country before I start loving everyone in S.America or Africa? Phat writes:
I thought you were the one who said that basic human nature is sinful. Is that not basic human nature?"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ringo Member (Idle past 432 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
You're being dishonest. You just said two posts ago that: God is no more Catholic than He is Protestant or Buddhist.quote: Which is it? Is God relatively Catholic or not?"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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jar Member (Idle past 414 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
I wonder if Phat understands the significance of 'catholic'?
From the 'I believes'.
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Phat Member Posts: 18298 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
I understand that "catholic" in that sense does not mean Roman Catholic or the RCC> Tangle was referring to the latter definition, I believe.
Catholic and Apostolic Francis eloquently defends the term. As long as they keep the inclusivism within Christianity-at-large they will do fine, but when they try and synergize all religions as one, they step out of bounds. All paths may lead up the mountain but there is only one top--not many."A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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jar Member (Idle past 414 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Phat writes: As long as they keep the inclusivism within Christianity-at-large they will do fine, but when they try and synergize all religions as one, they step out of bounds. Again, that is NOT what the Bible teaches or what Jesus said repeatedly. Try actually reading the Bible Phat; you might even learn something.My Website: My Website
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ringo Member (Idle past 432 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
jar writes:
Fun fact: the church that I grew up in calls itself the Apostolic Church of Pentecost. It was pretty anti-Roman-Catholic then; I don't know about today. ... one holy catholic and apostolic Church;"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ringo Member (Idle past 432 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
You need to back that up. As long as they keep the inclusivism within Christianity-at-large they will do fine, but when they try and synergize all religions as one, they step out of bounds."I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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jar Member (Idle past 414 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
That's pretty common in Club Christian. The CoE is apostolic and catholic yet it would be hard to make a case that Henry VIII was pro-Pope even though the title still used by the British Royal Family of 'Defender of the Faith' actually originated when Henry helped put down some North European Protestant movements. But of course, that was before the conflict of calendars; the problem of the calendar involving political communication and negotiation conflicting with the fixed and unmovable biological calendar.
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Phat Member Posts: 18298 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
jar writes: Quit patronizing me. Your interpretation is not the only one. There are many whom you disagree with or thumb your nose at who have also read the Bible. They see it differently from you. If you have a case that the Bible and Jesus teach all-inclusivism, you can try and present it. Keep patronizing out of it. I am no idiot. Try actually reading the Bible Phat; you might even learn something."A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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Phat Member Posts: 18298 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
I'm not talking about Catholicism ve Protestantism. Nor any of the other clubs within Christianity. It's all one big dysfunctional family. We have a few contrarians such as you who don't even believe Jesus is an actual person, but we let you come to the picnics anyway.
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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Phat Member Posts: 18298 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
I'm figuring you guys will again jump to Matthew 25 as proof that many non-Christians will become Catholic and Apostolic by way of invitation. And who am I to argue with scripture. But that's Gods business
The outliers will meet Jesus soon enough. "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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jar Member (Idle past 414 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Phat, I've presented what is actually written in the Bible to you over and over and over and over and over again.
You refuse to retain anything anyone has presented to you. Where is the evidence that you are simply willfully ignorant? If you were an idiot there might be some excuse.My Website: My Website
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ringo Member (Idle past 432 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
But I am. I'm asking if you consider all of those Christian clubs to be "true" Christians. What about the "liberal" Christians who don't try to argue away what Jesus said? What about the ones who actually LIVE what Jesus said? I'm not talking about Catholicism ve Protestantism. Nor any of the other clubs within Christianity. Honestly, you're only counting the handful of right-wing fundamentalist wingnuts who agree with your theology, aren't you? You lump the "liberal" Christians who agree with me in with the Hindus and the Mormons and the other heathens, don't you?
Phat writes:
You are the few. We have a few contrarians such as you who don't even believe Jesus is an actual person, but we let you come to the picnics anyway."I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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