Condemn gay marriage, or just gay rape?

Sheesh.Are you EVER going to address the topic and stop trying to misdirect the audience so you can palm the pea?NOTHING in that message is related to the topic, it is all just attractive rabbit holes designed to lead folk further and further from the topic.There is still NOTHING in Genesis 4 that says of the human race "they lost this intimate fellowship with God."The Biblical Flood is a myth, it never happened.Yes Paul thought homosexuality was a sin.The Lamech passage still says nothing about Lamech being greedy or about "his general degraded character", and you still have not addressed the main issue that is on topic...

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Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

This is not a Bible Study question, I think. But we should have anti hate laws so that there is not mob violence against gays in general.That is a protection. The marriage thing is being wrestled with.Whatever the outcome, it doesn't change the prinicple ordained by the Creator.I don't think rebellion against that prinicple will be blessed by God. I think it is asking for trouble.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.

And it is also not equal protection.Nor does it address the question so I'll repeat it yet again:

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Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

That's enough of that smoke jar.The things I wrote are related to things said and are relevant. We got into ONE man ONE woman verses ONE man and MANY women.So I commented about Lamech and Jacob. Other examples of comments were also related to the discussion.Now, if I tackle the treatment of Paul of women, this will also be related to your own comments.Don't put these accusations out and expect everyone to always say "Amen". If we deal with your concept, don't say we are not on the topic.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.

You're grasping at straws. The word "marriage" isn't very common in the Bible - The King James Version uses it only 19 times - and most of the relationships in the Bible are not labelled "marriages". Show us the pattern. If the pattern is there, show us some examples. And be sure to follow your own rule and have them all labelled as "marriages". Similarly, if God was displeased with the idea of same-sex relationships, David and Jonathan would have been His opportunity to demonstrate that. He didn't.

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"It appears that many of you turn to Hebrew to escape the English...." -- Joseppi

And you still do not address the question so I'll repeat it yet again:

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Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

The evidence is there that human society was getting farther and farther away from God.Exceptions are with the believers like Abel, Enosh, Enoch, Noah. On your mere say so, I reject that statement. You don't know that. Paul was a Pharisee before he became a Christian. He got his concepts from the Hebrew Bible.And that was the Word of God. Paul did not pick up the concept out of thin air.We can take a balanced look at Paul's teachings about women in the church somewhere if not here.If I did I would not be lopsided. ALL passages have to be taken into account together.For example, Paul recommended a female JUNIA as being noteworthy among the apostles.Here is a woman that Paul says had a reputation among the apostles. It is hard for me to believe she never opened her mouth.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.

And you still do not address the question so I'll repeat it yet again:

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Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

Jar, does these passages suggest that mankind was maintaining a friendly contact with God or getting somewhat more and more estranged ? "And the earth was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence. (Gen. 6:11)

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"And God said to Noah, the end of all flesh has come before Me, for the earth is filled with violence because of them ..." (v.13a)

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"And Jehovah said, My Spirit will not strive with man forever, for he indeed is flesh ..." (v.3)

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"And Jehovah saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually." (v.5) Do you not see how this state of things is arrived at gradually in the previous chapters ? This is the history of a downward sliding of the human race FROM fellowshipping with God.The hint of this movement away from God is seen in the birth of the fourth generation from Adam, the birth of Enos.In his day men began to call upon the name of Jehovah. You see they were getting farther and farther away until they had to call out to God.See Genesis 4:26.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.

And you still do not address the question so I'll repeat it yet again: Enough of your rabbit holes. I have addressed all the rabbit holes needed.If there is one you particularly like I will be glad to address them in another thread.

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Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

OP says: I discussed what the Bible truly says jar.That was the bulk of my contribution. You resisted it mightlily. But you did not make a convincing case to me or Bertot that the Bible Says something else as an opposite to what we demonstrated.The operative words there for me were "What the Bible truly says"No rabbit tricks. Just what the Bible truly says. You lose the case that it did not say One Man + One Woman = the union God ordained for marriage.Others can contribute what your society should do about it.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.

Worry not, I have never tried to convince either you or Dawn Bertot.As I have said before, if YOUR chapter of Club Christian believes that homosexuality is a sin I suggest that YOU not participate in homosexual practices.If YOUR chapter of Club Christian does not approve of same sex marriages, then I suggest that YOUR chapter of Club Christian not perform same sex marriages.BUT...for the rest of the audience I have tried to show your quote mined snippets in context and to point out that standards and patterns changed even in the Bible as morality evolved.You can speak for your self, maybe even for YOUR chapter of Club Christian but do not presume to speak for Christianity or for GOD.And the question remains:

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Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

And if your chapter of Christianity, believes they have a right to add to the words that God has spoken, then it would follow you have decided it is ok to speak for God and Christianity.Yet all Jaywill and I have done is quote what is stated, sohow could we be speaking anything but what he has dictated.Again, strange logic, that tells someone not to speak for God, when l they have only quoted what he has stated, yet the same person, adds things at will and believes in his repugnant arrogance that he is justified in doing so, speaking for God that isDo you understand anything about rational thoughtDawn Bertot

Some folks believe that God actually speaks to us through the words of the Bible.

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Other folks believe that God gave us wisdom and the responsibility to actively enforce and change morality and human behavior through our conscience. (abolition of slavery being one such example.)

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I don't hear God audibly speaking to me. (do you?)

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Do I base my perceived relationship with God on belief in a SOURCE (The book and the church) or on the CONTENT (My conscience and my inner knowledge of right versus wrong?)

The audience can read the posts in this thread and see who has backed up their position with material presented in context and who has simply quote mined.And you still have not addressed the issue.

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Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!