Biblical description of Satan

i think the application of the 'tester' role of hasatan (as previously mentioned) is more important here... i think it is meant to toughen christ's resolve... not necessarily to 'make him sin'. i'm not sure how succeptible he was to temptation... the point seems to be more of a demonstration of what mankind suffers daily. it seems to be to make him feel more human and to feel more for humans. remember, this is all right before the end. this is enabling him to say that the purpose he came for is indeed worth it and he must find the will to go forward.maybe.

What is the doctrine of evolution? I know this is off topic, but I thought that this should be challenged.

OFFTOPIC - Do the you really belive that finding bones and fragments bone can determine such information?. The information aquired by these bones are highly determine by an interpretation of the facts.

it's not a belief thing. it's science. and, personal knowledge. yes, you CAN tell that from the bones. and that's just the a few bones, not even a mostly complete skeleton, in context of the actual rock it was found in.it's called paleontology, look it up.

OFFTOPIC - Most schools and universitys teach evolution as fact and the truth of origins. Therefore any evidence must fit this criteria. Therefore creation is wrong and not science as it does not follow the rules of evolution. (evolution not science, evolution is a form of historical science). Therefore when evolutionists witness dinasaur drawings in caves, dragon legends and stories, creation evidence for dinasaurs in a young earth it is not acceptable. Therefore the indoctrinating stops many to even consider the possiblity of anything other then a evolutionary framework.This message has been edited by almeyda, 05-25-2004 12:16 AM

Of course you can.From the bones you can determine the size and weight of the organism, because those things have an effect on the skeleton. You can determine where the muscles and tendons attach to the bone, because they leave characteristic marks on the bone.You can determine the general diet from the shape of the teeth, jaw, and chewing muscles, and from the types of plants and animals found in the area. Teeth also give you information about age due to wear and tear.If these things are good enough to use in court, don't you think they're good enough to tell us about the past?

To Almeyda: Which school and university are you referring to? (please answer this question)Many teach evolution, yes.They teach evolution as a fact, no. At most they should only teach it as a "strongly supported theory". I know not of a single school which teaches evolution as a fact. (Of course, physical evidence supporting the theory of evolution, now THOSE may be facts.)The truth of origin? Are they out of their minds? Science doesn't give you truth! Truth is a religious concept. Science pursues truth by dealing with the "useful".Is evolution truth? No, because according to the theory of science, even the theory of evolution may one day be revised, and a new theory adopted.Education institutions that teach science as truth should be beaten to a bloody pulp. Give me names. NAMES I besiege you!(I understand that we have both drifted off topic, but your sweeping generalisation of what schools and universities do has infuriated me. In you next post, I pray that you will give me the names of ONE (1 X) school and ONE (1 X) university which operates as you say they do. I will then write a strongly worded correspondence to them and accuse them of what you have stated in your post. Then I will post up any replies I get. I await your reply.)NB: Please do NOT ignore me. I find it rude, inhumane, and decidedly un-Christian when people do that to me.

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Well the fact that the (non-avian) dinosaurs died out millions of years ago is not part of evolutionary theory. It's a simple inference from the fact that we have no significant evidence of dinosaurs surviving past the end of the Cretacious. That is where the hard evidence points. Nobody in the evolutionary community would be upset if the evidence had turned out differently.The creationist evidence consists of legends, fakes and dubious interpetations of drawings (or even just natural rock formations). Not one piece of hard evidence. But the Young Earth crew *can't* accept that there were more than a few days between the creation of dinosaurs and humans. They are VERY upset that the evidence shows that they are wrong so they have to cling to the few pathetic scraps they can find - to avoid accepting the truth

I think we are in the wrong topic thread to discuss this. I shouldnt of went off-topic in the first place. (We can continue the discussion any other time you like).

No! Here's photographic proof that dinosaurs survive to this very day in New Zealand! (Look down in the corner.)from

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No! Here's photographic proof that dinosaurs survive to this very day in New Zealand! (Look down in the corner.)from Slashdot.orgAbE: Crap, dupe post and the first one's boned - all for the want of a "...This message has been edited by crashfrog, 05-25-2004 05:04 AM

To Almeyda:Oh, you are solely mistaken. I have no intention whatsoever to discuss ANYTHING with you, at least not at this point in time anyway. My main focus (only focus actually) is with the comment you have made. This comment, to be exact: I am not here to contest ANY argument that you make, nor am I here to make an argument.I am here to investigate a claim that you have made. In other words, I am challenging your very integrity. In order to protect your credibility, you MUST meet this challenge, if only to show that you have not been making unsupported claims (banned by this forum, I believe) or outright lying (banned in any forum, I believe).And how you can go abouts supporting your claim is as follows:Step 1: Give me the name of a school and an university which "teach evolution as fact and the truth of origins". (Your claim was "most schools and universities", so I believe you will have no problems whatsoever in giving me the names of two of such pathetic excuses for education institutions, no?)Step 2: I verify your claim.Step 3: I broadcast the result for all to see.The result of this process, of course, would either enhance your credibility or serverely compromise it, depending on the truthfulness of your claim.In case you haven't got the point yet, allow me to repeat it: I am so sick and tired of people (anyone) engaging in a process commonly known as "making shit up" (MSU). Of course, this comment is in no way insinuating that you have done so, since I have full confidence that you would be able to back up your claim. So again, I besiege you, the names?(Again, I besiege you not to ignore me. Don't make me invoke admin)

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We seem to be wandering away from biblical descriptions of Satan.I can understand the drift, but any spin off topics should be in their own threads.This includes any discussion about a members personal integrity.AdminBrian.

To Brian:Point taken. My bad. I apologise for promoting the topic drift. Brian, may I ask: Is there a forum for discussing personal integrity? Or do I just propose a new topic?To Almeyda:I will take your advice and "discuss" examine claim on another thread. I will invite you over to the new thread when and if I decide to make one.

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Hi SD,All you really need to do is to propose a new topic.If you just give the topic a relevant title and briefly outline what you would like to discuss, that should be fine.Oh, and thank you for your help here.AdminBrian.