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Brian
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Message 570 of 603 (133507)
08-13-2004 5:49 AM
Reply to: Message 568 by CK
08-13-2004 5:31 AM


Re: Evidence (or lack there of)
Hi Charles,
I turned my computer on this morning and saw that there were a lot of messages posted since I was last here, I thought that Hydarnes had posted his dissertation!
But what I saw is very very sad. I am amazed that adults reason in such a childish manner, what we have here are arguments that reflect the reasoning of an 11 year old child, or younger. I do not say this to be mean or nasty, this is a fact. Children argue with such writings as 'there was a man who said he could run faster than a horse so a man can run faster than a horse'.
This is how children write, they think in concrete terms, they do not think about such things as how important it is to give the man's name, or where the race took place, or who witnessed it.
It is intensely embarrassing to find adults so desperate.
I, for one, am extremely bored by this whole thing.
I am also dying from the worst hangover in the history of the world, so I am off to either:
1. Go back to bed
2. Get ready and go to the pub
3. Puke up and die quietly
Brian.

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CK
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Message 571 of 603 (133509)
08-13-2004 5:51 AM
Reply to: Message 570 by Brian
08-13-2004 5:49 AM


Re: Evidence (or lack there of)
do all 3!
I have to head over to the office so I check in later and see how you can feeling.

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Trae
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Message 572 of 603 (133510)
08-13-2004 5:54 AM
Reply to: Message 540 by Lysimachus
08-12-2004 10:13 PM


Re: You've got him Buzz
quote:
SEE! I knew it PaulK...I knew it. Whenever we provide you with names, then you revert to questioning everything about them, and whether they should be taken seriously. And GIVE ME A BREAK about "unbiased expert"....There are scientists who are Pro Creation, and Pro Evolution. What do you think the scientists that are Pro Creation are going to do? Try and prove creation. And Pro Evolutionists? Try and prove evolution!
This is where you are wrong. Your approach is much like writing a story, having someone that does not know much about grammar proof it, and then telling everyone how your story is great. In peer review, pro evolutionists do not try to prove evolution. If you want to find mistakes, it does not make any sense to ask someone that does not believe their can be any mistakes to look over your work.
That is a problem with your whole, Look at all the evidence approach. You really don’t look at all the evidence. You don’t ask if there are other nearby caves, you don’t ask if there really were 12 pillars, you don’t ask if the wells were really wells, you don’t even ask if the so-called altar is really an altar, you don’t ask if coral naturally takes on these shapes, you don’t ask if there were ships wreaked nearby, etc. You just take all these square pegs, shave the sides, get a huge hammer of wishful thinking and start pounding them into round holes.

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Trae
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Message 573 of 603 (133511)
08-13-2004 6:00 AM
Reply to: Message 542 by Lysimachus
08-12-2004 10:22 PM


quote:
Try to think how frustrating it might be if you were trying to prove something, and an archaeologist came along and supported your claim. But then he dissapears before he reveals his name. Wouldn't you at least want to tell others that you know an archaeologist said this, but yet you couldn't find out his name? Put yourself in these shoes---
Yes, were I Wyatt I would be quite frustrated with his inadequacies. So he has the ability to extract detailed and informed information from individuals, but from cultures where greetings are rather formalized he cannot get a name?

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CK
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Message 574 of 603 (133513)
08-13-2004 6:16 AM
Reply to: Message 573 by Trae
08-13-2004 6:00 AM


hark what is this!
Is it just me who hears the fat lady singing?

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PaulK
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Message 575 of 603 (133521)
08-13-2004 7:19 AM
Reply to: Message 461 by Hydarnes
08-12-2004 12:14 PM


Re: E v i d e n c e .
Just noticed this one. So what you mean is that if you don't like what I say you'll start telling lies in the hope of bullying me into shutting up. I'm not impressed.

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PaulK
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Message 576 of 603 (133522)
08-13-2004 7:31 AM
Reply to: Message 568 by CK
08-13-2004 5:31 AM


Re: Evidence (or lack there of)
In htis post Lysimachus quoted form a Wyatt newsletter.
http://EvC Forum: "The Exodus Revealed" Video II -->EvC Forum: "The Exodus Revealed" Video II
At the end the following words appear:
quote:
Friends, those who accept the "word" of ANYONE, regardless of their "credentials", without seeing THOROUGH documentation WILL BE DECEIVED.
Claims that an unnamed Saudi Archaeologist said something are not "THOROUGH documentation". Yet we are asked to accept them as accurately representing the words of an expert in the field.
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Nighttrain
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Message 577 of 603 (133524)
08-13-2004 7:51 AM
Reply to: Message 570 by Brian
08-13-2004 5:49 AM


Re: Evidence (or lack there of)
Serves you right for drinking that Scottish muck. I`ll send you some Aussie beer to help with the hangover

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Nighttrain
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Message 578 of 603 (133526)
08-13-2004 8:06 AM


So what else do we have that MIGHT prove Jabal el Lawz? Well, there`s the gold dust emema Moses whipped up, though I`d like to know how he reduced metal to drinkable dust with their technology. So, there has to be quite a bit of gold dust crapped out before they hitched the wagons and moved out.
Then, payback time, with 3000 bodies left in the vicinity Ex 32:28. Must be a few fossilised or coral-covered (just joking) relics left for confirmation.
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News Flash: Researchers have uncovered Ron Wyatt`s missing journals. Ron reported 'I have confirmed Jabal el Lawz is Mt.Sinai.I have found gold, lots of gold, gold as dusty as all getout. And I have found bones. Lotsa bones. Even heaps of bones. I counted 3000 skeletons exactly.Wait till I show this to those fools at EvC.' Researchers are not sure if Ron intended to deliver all the evidence or a video.

nator
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Message 579 of 603 (133527)
08-13-2004 8:44 AM
Reply to: Message 542 by Lysimachus
08-12-2004 10:22 PM


Re: Put up or shut up
quote:
Try to think how frustrating it might be if you were trying to prove something,
Actually, in real scientific investigation, people aren't "trying to prove" things.
The fact that you indicate that this is what these people were doing just shows 1) that you don't know enough about the scientific process to have that be a red flag to you that they aren't doing science, and 2) they aren't doing science.
In real scientific investigation, a hypothesis is constructed to try to explain some natural phenomena. Then, the hypothesis is tested to see if it holds up.
Your folks have a preconceived idea of what they want the outcome to be, and they are ony interested in making a case for the results of testing to be what they want them to be. They do not include in their report, therefore, any problems or alternative explanation for why anything appears as it does.
Take buz and the split rock nonsense.
I have simply asked him how, if two samples were set down in front of me, I could tell which one was the special exodus kind and a regular split rock. I've asked him at least 3 times, and all he says is "it's obvious".
Maybe I'm dense or something, but I have no idea what makes it "obvious" to him, and I wanted him to explain it to me. So far, no explanation.
Why should I belive him if he can't even begin to explain why the split rocks are so different?
quote:
and an archaeologist came along and supported your claim. But then he dissapears before he reveals his name.
Yeah, it sucks. Too bad.
quote:
Wouldn't you at least want to tell others that you know an archaeologist said this, but yet you couldn't find out his name?
Maybe what happened is that there actually is no archaeologist.
quote:
If you guys only knew what Ron went through...he was ready to pull out his hair because it was so difficult to keep things organized...people made it very hard for him.
Poor Ron.
The fact remains that you cannot use imaginary or unnamed people to support your arguments.
THE EVIDENCE SUPPORTS (or not) YOUR ARGUMENTS, not people.

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nator
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Message 580 of 603 (133528)
08-13-2004 8:57 AM
Reply to: Message 555 by Buzsaw
08-13-2004 2:07 AM


Re: It is out there
quote:
But no, all his camp is doing is criticize the ones who's done all the research of observation and study.
That's what scientists do all the time, buz.
Your problem is that the methodology of these people is clearly terrible.
Anybody can understand bastic scientific methodology, which is why we are able to rip these "findings" up so easily.
Remember what I said about the absence in this research report of potential falsifications, problems with the findings, and others' findings that contradict theirs?
Remember how I explained how this kind of thing is found in every real scientific paper?
While you chose to not address any of these points and instead handwave them away, they are most certainly part of the normal rigor of scientific methodology.
From what we have seen so far, the methodology is so poor and the findings so cherry picked and biased towards a preconceived outcome that it is laughable.

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nator
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Message 581 of 603 (133529)
08-13-2004 9:03 AM
Reply to: Message 570 by Brian
08-13-2004 5:49 AM


Re: Evidence (or lack there of)
hangover prevention:
before going to bed, drink as many glasses of water as you can possibly get down your neck.
hangover cure:
water
water
more water
orange juice
bananas
ibuprofen

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Yaro
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Message 582 of 603 (133547)
08-13-2004 10:38 AM
Reply to: Message 555 by Buzsaw
08-13-2004 2:07 AM


Re: It is out there
Nothing is really going to be refuted here until someone from you all's camp is willing to spend some bucks, take some time and go out there and have a look
Apparently, anyone can go look now that the Wyatt Museum offers guided tours of some of their sites for enugh cash
safeco3
Furthermore, those chariot wheels are in a popular Middle Eastern diving spot and resort location. No one can go see those wheeles?
Did swashbuckling Wyatt brave the poolside bar and Marguarita party before hopping on a banana-boat to go look for chariott wheels?
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jar
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Message 583 of 603 (133551)
08-13-2004 11:24 AM
Reply to: Message 554 by Buzsaw
08-13-2004 1:56 AM


Re: Put up or shut up
You still don't understand.
C'mon give us a break and for once allow us the same leeway secularistic science uses in their pet hypotheses and theories.
We will gladly give you exactly the same leeway.
To support your hypothosis you need to:
  1. produce evidence that there were any Hebrews in Egypt to leave.
  2. produce evidence that there was a mass migration of anykind out of Egypt.
  3. produce evidence Egypt ever lost a Pharoah in battle.
  4. produce evidence the wheels or chariots exist.
  5. produce records showing Egypt had to suddenly replace all their horses and cattle.
  6. produce evidence the pile of rocks is an altar.
  7. produce evidence the blackened moutain is not natural.
  8. produce evidence the split rock is not natural.
  9. produce evidence that the rock drawings are not simply more of the same type rock drawings found all over North Africa and Arabia and dating from a 1000 years or more before the asserted Exodus.
  10. explain why the producers and proponents of the video have shown that they are willing to disregard conflicting evidence, and to suppress evidence.
  11. disregard all evidence where the producers assert that have corroboration, yet fail to produce it.
  12. provide evidence to show the land bridge exists and stop using interpolated data to make claims (gradient) not backed up by data.
  13. address the issues of the timing of the entrance into Palestine or the question of how Joshua conquered abandoned towns.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
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Message 584 of 603 (133553)
08-13-2004 11:31 AM
Reply to: Message 551 by Buzsaw
08-13-2004 1:42 AM


Re: Frustrating
And if I read right, one un-named archeologist, an Arab, likely Muslim who knows full well that to work with Christians, it might be good for his physical welfare for him to remain anonymous.
More silly crap and bullshit.
MOSES is one of the Prophets of ISLAM. Ask any Imam.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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