Prophecy for Buzsaw

Okay, fair enough. I know you moved me from the list, and I know that it was more of a warning than a judgement (I am not accusing you). I only offer my advice tho, because naming people might be risky - and it feels bad if you're on the receiving end.

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More than 20 of the 50-odd small island developing States around the world have been severely affected by hurricanes, typhoons or major floods over the past two years - including some more than once during this period.

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And....? Come on, don't tell me you're going to present such data without presenting what the typical rate is, as well as a statistical analysis which shows that this is indeed an uncorrelated increase in disasters not tied into any anticipated pheonomina. Or are you?Hey, guess what? I had two guys hit on me in the past two days. It had been weeks since a guy last hit on me. By your logic, I must be getting more stunningly beautiful by the day; in a year's time, in place of Bush, you shall have a queen - all shall love me and despair!... right?

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"Illuminant light,
illuminate me."

How would a sinless Earth "cope" with a disaster? Sin doesn't change the laws of physics. None of your post makes any sense.

Even without the ring you have my vote.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

No that was a reference to another website - pop over to the giants thread - we could do with another giggle.

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People like Jar, PaulK, and Charles Knight are going to hate me, and want to kill me

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Judging by the irrational hostility and hatred in some of your posts I have no doubt that it is far more likely that it is you that will hate and will seek to kill others. [/quote] And that is right folks, we have statistics that disasters are ON THE RISE! The occuring disasters globally should ring a bell to any atheist or Christian that Bible is right on track as to what is happening and will happen to planet earth. [/quote]Lets see, the Bible predicts pestilence famine and earthquakes.
Accordign to the article you quote the disasters on the rise are mainly hurricanes and floods.
That is what you call being "right on track" ?

I've got to be honest - I think the guy is mentally ill. His posts are being more and more em..weird.Get help man, nobody wants to kill you.

Hi Marcos. You're posting way too much for me to handle in my busy schedule. I will begin with this long post and cover what I can. I've been outa town nearly all day today and will be out most of tomorrow, but will begin and see how far I can go. I appreciate the work you go to in order to be thorough and complete, so I am looking forward to discussing Rev 17, 18 and Rev 13 as well as Daniel 7 concerning the ten horned beast and Mystery Babylon. I know. I'm still persistently pounding patiently and prayerfully on these rigid rocks/hearts here in town, looking for evidences of cracks in some of them. Other rocks/hearts as hard as these have been broken, so hopefully some will here and we'll see some remarkable conversions as God's Holy Spirit works mightily in the minds and hearts of men and women. Well put. Rather than respond to the scriptures references you posted concerning the scriptures, study, etc, I'll simply say we agree as to the import of the scriptures in determining truth. I see the big revivals, etc as having happened from the time of the reformation until about the mid 20th century. From there it goes downhill. I see ever increasingly emerging apostacy/falling away/departure from truth from mid 20th century and ongoing until the 2nd advent and Armageddon. This falling away from truth/apostacy is prophesied by Paul in II Thessalonians chapter 2 where it is explained that when truth is removed/set aside by apostacy the way is paved for emergence of antichrist. Again, I see this as waning now and over, overall, but sporadic revival will fire up here and there where the condition becomes suitable and compatible. I am aware, however that SDAs seems to be on a roll spiritually and numerically, thanks to 3 ABN television over Sky Angel as well as a rigorous missionary effort. SDA, imo is getting more evangelical as others are becoming less so. Though I don't agree with you on some prophecies and other doctrines such as hell, I do respect you people as exemplary Christians and wise in many areas including nutrition, reverence for God and so forth. In spite of our differences, you can count me in in for this effort. From the gitgo, beginning with the apostles, there have been differences in opinion which I don't catagorize as necessarily 'doctrines of devils,' but nevertheless erroneous. I believe it depends on how important those differences become as to overall doctrine. The persecutions via the popes and bishops of Vatican City were alluded to by Jesus in the Olivet Discourse, imo, as coming before the end time of the age when the great tribulation via antichrist and beast comes. Marcos, this's why I appreciate the way you debate. You clearly state your position so as for the counterpart to either agree or effectively refute. As for your above statement, I'm afraid it's going to be REFUTE! I know mention is made at the end of your Scripture reference of the commandments of God in general, but nothing specifically about the Sabbath and Sunday relative to the mark of the beast. This is where you begin to go helter-skelter with the beast prophecy. You need to rather go to specific reference to the beast, the mark and note all the data given in those references. The 10 horned beast is mentioned in three places in the entire Bible, i.e. Revelation 13, 14, 17 and Daniel 7. You compile all the data together gleaned from these chapters and you come up with who/what the beast is and how the beast relates to Mystery Babylon.That's as far as I want to go until I receive your response and am able to comment. Thanks.

Lysimachus I think the USGS would disagree with you.Check out this data on earthquakes.Check the website to get a better view of the numbers as it won't properly transfer here. http://neic.usgs.gov/neis/eqlists/eqstats.html

Thank you Buzsaw for your response. I'm glad at least you acknowledge what I say, unlike Charles who thinks I'm mental. If he only knew how to comprehend just a "little" of what we're trying to say. But like I stated earlier, he is an "opportunist attacker"...if he can find just one hole to discredit someone, he'll come down on you hook-line-and-sinker...I recommend that before you write your rebuttal to my stance that you thoroughly read the article "The Beast, The Dragon, and The Woman". After you've thoroughly investigated the article and the key emphasis' of why we believe the Papacy is the 4th beast of Revelation (and the 1260 day prophecy, etc.), then feel free all you want to share with me why you disagree with this view.This message has been edited by Lysimachus, 09-20-2004 10:21 PM

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~Lysimachus

So I see we have a difference as to where to begin our search for the truth, i.e. the man's book or the Bible. Wouldn't it be wiser to begin with the Biblical texts concerning the beast and Mystery Babylon, then see how the book fares? I've heard several of your 3ABN prophecy preachers cover the subject and am fairly aware of where you are on this.This message has been edited by buzsaw, 09-20-2004 10:36 PM

I didn't find a chart, but as for the Atlantic hurricanes, the following link seems to support Marcos's contention that at least there is an increasing amount of disastrous storms. Whether these are man made or not, imo, is irrevelant as to prophetic significance. The apocalypse of Revelation as well as some OT prophets have disastrous apocalyptic weather prophesied for what is referred to as the latter days when God's veangeful wrath emerges upon planet earth's apostate inhabitants. Wikipedia(The link doesn't seem to work, but you can copy the link above, paste it on google search, go to bottom of page, about last paragraph for the statement.)NOTE: The link says, "in terms of devastating huricanes." This list is devastating catagory 5 huricanes which reached cat 5 sometime during their existence and reached landfall, causing significant destruction.This message has been edited by buzsaw, 09-21-2004 08:40 PM

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The immeasurable present is forever consuming the eternal future and extending the infinite past. buz

Oh please don't mention 3ABN...ugh...I don't agree with them...argh...I am completely independent...not even affiliated nor do I agree with the way 3aban presents their prophecies.The only reason I suggest you read the article is because it presents the Biblical texts in an organized format. Sure, we must go to the Bible, but must we say we cannot read another's article "about the Bible" simply because reading that article is "not going to the Bible"?It helps present my understanding the Bible in an organized format. We cannot just quote scripture and expect to come to solid understandings without some sort of comparison and logical discussion regarding those Bible text. That is what the article does...presents these biblical texts in organized format. So in other words, utilizing that article is utilizing the Bible, but just in presentation format of how one concludes his/her interpretation of the various passages of the Bible. This message has been edited by Lysimachus, 09-20-2004 11:11 PM

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~Lysimachus

Oookay, Marcos, but 3 ABN seems to be the best of what I've seen of SDA so far. I like a lot of what they produce, especially their high quality of inspirational music their evangelical approach and their health programs.This's not the way I go about searching out truth, but I'll check out the article and get back to you. The Biblical text you came up with for interpreting the mark of the beast just doesn't hack it, though and if this is where we're going with the article, we're headed way out in left field for a starter. Not good.

It also prophecies that the sun and moon will be darkened, that the 2nd advent of Jesus will be "with clouds," that "Jehovah will go with the whirlwinds of the south." (Zechariah 9:14), more whirlwind prophecy in Isaiah 41:16, that there will be 100 lb hail stones (Revelation 16:21 and some OT prophetic hail), that there will be earthquakes in many different/diverse places (Olivet Discourse)and Revelation 16:17 the mother of all earthquakes shaking down the islands and cities of the planet, poluted stagnet red waters, drout big time, 'evil' (likely rabid) beasts and pestalence of all kinds etc also prophesied for the GRAND MIX. Isaiah says when all is said and done FEW MEN WILL BE LEFT UPON EARTH. Hang onto your hats n batten down the hatch!! Repent and be converted for resurrection day, because the waves r gonna get rough!!