Is the bible the word of God or men?

Dominate, particularly in the West, simply due to the expansion and extent of Rome's influence, but never the only Christian Church. And yes, over time the Roman Catholic Canon has evolved.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

If the Bible was solely written by men, without any divine inspiration, I guess all the atheists can now rely on the Bible as a reliable historical account!After all, atheists do rely on Arrian's account of Alexander's campaigns, do they not? Yet the burial grounds of Alexander cannnot be found, and even when such a historian lived approximately 3 centuries after the events happened, never has such faith been exercised by atheists regarding these accounts.hmm.... On that note, let us not forget that the Bible is simply a compilation of records from many different authors, just like there are compilations of records from many different authors of the campaigns of Alexander, and this is how we know it to be true.Interestingly, however, all the authors of the Biblical compilation seem to harmonize with one another incredibly well compared to the surmounting disharmony that existed with many historical accounts of the Greek and Persian wars.Edited by Lysimachus, : No reason given.Edited by Lysimachus, : No reason given.

Funny. I don't recall any historical account of Alexander turning water into wine, or resurrecting the dead, or casting out demons, or dying on the Cross and coming back to life three days later to expunge the sins of mankind.Neither do I recall how many people have been tortured to death because they had slightly different ideas about Alexander's biography.The supernatural events of the Bible demand a greater standard of evidence than the natural events of the Bible or the natural events of any other historical text. The simple fact is that atheists do accept the Bible as a reliable historical account for the things that it is reliable about, for the things it provides evidence of.Alexander's campaign in Asia Minor (an entirely non-supernatural occurance) isn't a feature of merely Arrian's account; it's independently verified by hundreds of contemporary sources. Where the Bible is similarly verified by multiple contemporary sources, atheists accept the Bible as accurate history.Where the Bible makes unverifiable, impossible claims of supernatural happenings, or where the Bible is the sole source of extraordinary claims, reasonable people know not to take it at face value. Indeed, I imagine that those claims of the Bible can only be "defended" in the way you've chosen to employ - the trolling of multiple threads punctuated by long absences to avoid having to address rebuttals.

It's not really that interesting; they simply plagiarized each other.

Rely is a bit of strong word. There are historical events recorded in the bible. On occasions some of these events are also recorded by other sources. This is a fact.... so. I would imagine non-atheists do also since Arrian's account is generally considered one of the best sources on the campaigns of Alexander. This is true by historians of all strips. Again so. You will need to make your point more explicit. I am having trouble understanding what you are getting at.If you point is that "atheist" reliance on the existence of Alexander based on some written works is an inordinate exercise of faith and such a faith is commensurate to the faith others have in the reality of bible describing miracles, legends and mythical stories, then that is quite a failure of logic and reasoning. First and foremost in the case of the Gospels there are clues that they shared a common lost source. In addition, the Gospels were not all written independently and at the same time. Having decades to synchronize ideas is the obvious answer to this issue. Why do police separate possible perpetrators early an investigation - so that they don't have time to generate a common story.Further if we were to selectively choose various works from any religion we could generate a document with remarkable agreement.And where are the independent disinterested corroboration. The son of God comes to earth and all we have are some biased testimonies! Think about it. A controversial political/religious person is miraculously resurrected after a public execution and no one else notices! No reports or investigations by the Roman or Jewish authorities? And then the Son of God ascends to Heaven and apparently it was a local event. One would think that The Son of God ascending to heaven would at least be on par with a say a shuttle launch.In more a general sense there are plenty of ideas in the bible that are disharmonious and incongruent. God is merciful/Vengence is mine sayest the lord, Love your neighbor/Kill your neighbor, Love your enemy/Kill your enemy and take his virgin daughters, The dead sleep until resurrection/Immediate blissful state, Shoel/Heaven and hell, All can be saved/God creates vessels of wrath fitted to destruction, faith/works, etcIf you are not confused you are not paying attention

An objective observer may see the bible as an extraordinary brain-washing device. The book has such power over the humans, even the non-believers. Much is made of ancient mentalities. Everything that is written is through the minds of men.
All who claim to hear the word of god hear it in their minds. Every law, parable, prophesy, moral and ethic is the idea of man. If this truth could be adopted the bible would be an entirely different read.

Evidently, it already is a different read for some as opposed to others.

Shalom, to all the bible is the word of Yahweh Elohim it has been written by men inspired of Elohim lead by the Holy Spirit.The first five books of the bible are known as Torah which was written by Moses.This was done during the forty days and forty nights Moses spent in Mt.Sinai, Moses is shown the pattern of the universe this three fold tabernacle pattern of creation everything that is phyiscal as well as spiritual is constructed and conforrms to the pattern.Moses forty days and forty nights stay in the mount with Yahweh creation of man is reviled to him before the fall and sin enters the world. [Gen:1-27] Upon Moses second trip atop the Mount after breaking the first two tables of stone upon which the comandments were writen with the finger of Yahweh[Ex:31-18].Moses is told to cut two more tables of stone like the first,Yahweh states that he wrote upon these second tables the words that he worte on the first which Moses broke.[Ex 34:1]
It is with in this second trip atop Mt.Sinai that Moses is shown the fall and this is why it seems in Genesis to be two creations,Moses is given more insight and thus[ Genesis 2:7] is were Yahweh gives Moses his second vision.
Sambee...Shalom,Iam new to this site I use the hebrew names for the creator[Yahweh] for the son I use[Yesuha] I like to study the bible share info I would like to take this time to say Sahlom to everyone.Edited by SAMBEE, : No reason given.

Welcome to EvC.This forum is called Bible: Accuracy and Inerrancy. While we are glad you dropped in when you make assertions such as "Shalom, to all the bible is the word of Yahweh Elohim it has been written by men inspired of Elohim lead by the Holy Spirit." or "This was done during the forty days and forty nights Moses spent in Mt.Sinai, Moses is shown the pattern of the universe this three fold tabernacle pattern of creation everything that is phyiscal as well as spiritual is constructed and conforrms to the pattern." you will be expected to provide verifiable evidence in support.The rest of your post seems unrelated to the topic and so pretty much irrelvant and unimportant.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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Shalom,jar I will post the information on the pattern of the universe with in the next few days so be loking for it.Shalom is a greeting it means peace.
In the name of Yahweh, shalom be unto you.
Sambee...Edited by SAMBEE, : No reason given.

Just remember that the Bible cannot verify the Bible.To support that God dictated material to Moshe you would first need to show that God exists, that Moshe existed and that the event in fact happened. To show some pattern of the universe you will need to provide the actual extra-Biblical material that will support your position.Remember that the Bible cannot support the Bible.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

SAMBEE A question out of curiousity. Since Deuteronomy is the fifth book could you explain how,while Moses was writing these on Mt. Sinai, he was able to write about his death and the mourning that followed it?Inquiring minds want to know.

Sidelined,Please reference the scripture.Edited by tthzr3, : No reason given.

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Thank you

KISSHere are the scripture references for the death of Moses and the weeping for him