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Author Topic:   Blasphemy ? What is it ? How is it Done?
CK
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Message 31 of 52 (230686)
08-07-2005 11:16 AM
Reply to: Message 30 by Chiroptera
08-07-2005 11:09 AM


Re: Webster.com
yeah he's a bit "off message at time". The queen mother was the same - she used to refer to "nig-nogs" and "darkies".
Before anyone thinks I'm unshockable or trying to be edgy - there have been quite a few things in the public sphere over the last couple of years that have made me think "surely that's not right".
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ringo
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Message 32 of 52 (230688)
08-07-2005 11:21 AM
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08-07-2005 10:56 AM


Re: Webster.com
PhatBoy writes:
Methinks, however, that the "demons" know who the real God is....and that is why Christianity is mocked and attacked more than any other belief.
On the contrary, I hear a lot more mockery of Muslims, Sikhs, etc. than of Christians. So the local demons must know that the "real" God is Allah (or whoever).

People who think they have all the answers usually don't understand the questions.

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robinrohan
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Message 33 of 52 (230690)
08-07-2005 11:36 AM
Reply to: Message 19 by CK
08-06-2005 1:27 PM


Re: More generally - cultural
What do you object to more the language or the intent?
I object to the intent to offend. I have no problem with use of 4- letter words, although if overused it comes across as just bad manners, like defecating in public or something.

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jar
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Message 34 of 52 (230702)
08-07-2005 2:12 PM
Reply to: Message 26 by Phat
08-07-2005 10:25 AM


Re: Webster.com
Come on now Phat. Lot's of the problems in this world revolve around blasphemous acts involving other religions. Mulims desecrate Hindu shrines, Hindus deface Buddhist relics, Jews occupy Muslim Holy Places and Christians burn Pagan relics.
It's not something limited to Christianity.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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riVeRraT
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Message 35 of 52 (230727)
08-07-2005 3:57 PM
Reply to: Message 24 by ramoss
08-07-2005 8:20 AM


Re: Webster.com
Which is completely irrelevant.
All it means is that if Jesus was the Son of God, then the Jews are wrong if they think he isn't.
Believing that Jesus is the son of God, and then having the greatest respect for him/God is not blasphemy, it would just make your belief's wrong, nice try.

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riVeRraT
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Message 36 of 52 (230728)
08-07-2005 3:59 PM
Reply to: Message 25 by Nighttrain
08-07-2005 9:19 AM


Re: Webster.com
And when we translate those Holy Scriptures into English, it is those definitions that we use to best describe what we think the authors mean, it happens with every language, in case you weren't aware of how we translate things.

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riVeRraT
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Message 37 of 52 (230730)
08-07-2005 4:04 PM
Reply to: Message 27 by CK
08-07-2005 10:35 AM


Re: Webster.com
The interesting thing about "allah" is that if you called him love, it would be blasphemy. "allah" has over 60 names, or 90, I forgot, but not one of them means love.
*edit*
I thought it be best to back up my words. So it's 99 names, none of which mean love, ctrl f -- love -- the text you entered was not found.
Error
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CK
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Message 38 of 52 (230731)
08-07-2005 4:06 PM
Reply to: Message 37 by riVeRraT
08-07-2005 4:04 PM


Re: Webster.com
Really? never knew that - hum... I'll have to go off and google and see if I can get a full list.
Thanks for the info.

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jar
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Message 39 of 52 (230743)
08-07-2005 5:23 PM
Reply to: Message 37 by riVeRraT
08-07-2005 4:04 PM


Re: Webster.com
Which is why it's always a good idea to actually read. AL-WADUD (The Loving)
In addition, love is a four letter word with many different meanings. If you read the names of Allah you will find they cover the same attributes as that of the Jewish or Christian God.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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riVeRraT
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Message 40 of 52 (230787)
08-07-2005 8:25 PM
Reply to: Message 39 by jar
08-07-2005 5:23 PM


Re: Webster.com
I am loving too, but allah is not love in itself. He is a loving God, but is he love?
The one true God would have created love, or be love himself, IMO.
My God is the God of Love and peace, love and loving, and lover of my soul.
from link:
‘ - ’‘()
So just are you a loving God if you say something like this?
quote:
'When the sacred months are passed, kill those who join other gods wherever you find them, and seize them, beleaguer them and lie in wait for them with every kind of ambush. But if they convert and observe prayer and pay the obligatory alms, then let them go their way.'
from this link:
Spiritual Life
Quite the contrary God to me. Do I really need to study the rest of the koran to "just say no" to allah?
I would rather subscribe to "Love others as you love yourself".
The real problem is in doing just that.

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jar
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Message 41 of 52 (230792)
08-07-2005 8:33 PM
Reply to: Message 40 by riVeRraT
08-07-2005 8:25 PM


Re: Webster.com
I'm not going down that path in this thread but that quote is simply pulled out of context. I can do the same thing with the Bible.
Face it, Allah is the same dude and the Christian or Jewish God. Anything that applies to one applies to all.
Regardless, calling Allah Love is not Blasphemy. As to your womensministries link, very cute, but what does that have to do with anything?

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Nighttrain
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Message 42 of 52 (230826)
08-07-2005 10:29 PM
Reply to: Message 36 by riVeRraT
08-07-2005 3:59 PM


Re: Webster.com
And when we translate those Holy Scriptures into English, it is those definitions that we use to best describe what we think the authors mean, it happens with every language, in case you weren't aware of how we translate things.
And just which translation is the true one? Which interpretation did the authors mean?

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riVeRraT
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Message 43 of 52 (230831)
08-07-2005 10:38 PM
Reply to: Message 41 by jar
08-07-2005 8:33 PM


Re: Webster.com
The link was to point out the other names of the Christian God, Love, lover of my soul, etc.
Face it, Allah is the same dude and the Christian or Jewish God. Anything that applies to one applies to all.
Are you sure about that one?
Don't take me wrong, because I have come to a place to accept all religions, for I guess they all serve some kind of purpose. The world is diverse, and I guess we need it. I understand many wars have been started over religion, but to me, it's people mis-interpreting their religion when they start a war over it, and I won't blame the religion per say.

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riVeRraT
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Message 44 of 52 (230833)
08-07-2005 10:43 PM
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08-07-2005 10:29 PM


Re: Webster.com
That would be another thread.
But if an author/s is translating the bible into English, then it is safe to say that a dictionary would best describe what the English word of blasphemy means. Authors do not make up new meanings for words based on thier translations, it's the other way around.
We could start studying what it means in all the other languages, and bible/religions and maybe learn something here.
*edit*
Which one is true? After 1878 posts, I don't know. I know what I think is true in my heart. What ever one works for you. Your the one that will meet God face to face when you die, you tell him whats on your mind, and why you believe what you believe. If there is no God, then it doesn't really matter then does it, people will always have something to argue about, and differ on anyway.
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jar
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Message 45 of 52 (230834)
08-07-2005 10:47 PM
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08-07-2005 10:38 PM


Re: Webster.com
Are you sure about that one?
Of course. And your link was not to other names of God, but simply descriptive phrases.
Saying Allah is love is not blasphemy, but saying he is satanic might be. But can a non-Muslim blaspheme Allah? IA Muslim can take something said by a non-Muslim as a blasphemous statement but that's perception.
If though you killed folk and said God told you to do it, is that blasphemy?

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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