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PaulK Member Posts: 17822 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
quote: You "worked it out" through the quote you provided. You didn't need to know the year - or do any math. Ergo your challenge answers itself.
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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3668 days) Posts: 2822 Joined: |
quote: Because freedom was the requirement with egypt, and this is also in the narratives.
quote: No need to read about it, this is known history. There were two states in the nation of israel; the southern state, Judea, contained Jerusalem.
quote: No, cannan was at some points under egypt's control, but not part of egypt. The Israelite rights transcend Egypt, being born and incepted in canaan.
quote: It does not see to work for me too.
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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3668 days) Posts: 2822 Joined: |
quote: True, I got this info by reading the texts, and the commentary which backs up the relevent maths. It is not doubtable, being a celebrated festival for 1000s of years. The christians call this the last supper, but unlike the OT calendar accuracy, its observence date is a free floating one. Edited by IamJoseph, : No reason given.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17822 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
Let us be clear. You claimed that it was impossible to work out that the day was a Saturday without knowing the year. However you did exactly that. And I strongly suggest that you produce these alleged calculations before you are suspended again for refusing to support your claims.
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macaroniandcheese  Suspended Member (Idle past 3928 days) Posts: 4258 Joined: |
why don't you reply to the person who is talking to you?
also, i'm unconvinced by your purported proof.
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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3668 days) Posts: 2822 Joined: |
quote: Nope - your understanding is incorrect. The year is not a problem; the first year begins with Adam, today 5766 years ago. This 5766 year calendar is fully aligned with today's years, with some glitches needing adjustments, owing to Pope Gregory's refusal to adopt the lunar and solar hebrew calendar, discarding the lunar section, which does not give accurate days. When advised so by his bishops, that the new gergorian calendar, which begins 2000 years ago and operating only by the solar impacts, would cause 11 days extra, he responded: 'better to be wrong with he moon than be right with the jews - we will just omit 11 days!'. But there was never any confusion of the year in the hebrew calendar. So if we know a day falls on saturday, it can be confirmed by a calculus of the calendar.
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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3668 days) Posts: 2822 Joined: |
I did answer brenekin.
Which part?
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macaroniandcheese  Suspended Member (Idle past 3928 days) Posts: 4258 Joined: |
no, i wasn't talking to you. i was replying to a comment someone else made about eaters of the dead.
and all parts. i refuse to believe mythical tales which defend the right of a nation based solely on religion which undermines democratic laws by importing more members of that religion to dillute the vote of minorities to exist.
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Reding Junior Member (Idle past 6077 days) Posts: 29 From: Belgium Joined: |
quote: i assume you merely use the bible narratives to support that...
quote: well throughout the priod of the New Kingdom (c1569-1076 BCE) egyptians were known to cross Canaan as far north as Syria. In the region scientists found campsites, forts, cities , cemetaries and granaries for the egyptian army. There was clearly an infrastructure to support the idea of a province, especially when they controlled it for so long. Edited by Reding, : No reason given.
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John Williams Member (Idle past 4999 days) Posts: 157 From: Oregon, US Joined: |
Canaan was an Egyptian vassal for about 400 years; 1550-1150 BC, from Ahmose I to Ramose V.
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Reding Junior Member (Idle past 6077 days) Posts: 29 From: Belgium Joined: |
quote: i'm not familiar with the term vassal but if it means a feudal state (i know, it's a modern term) or something resembling i'd be then curious to understand how the Egyptians had that much control of Canaan.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17822 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
Essentially the Canaanite states accepted Egyptian superiority, allowed Egyptian garrisons in their cities, paid tribute. The Amarna letters come from a time when the system was breaking down but you still can see Canaanite rulers begging for Egyptian troops to help them and professing loyalty. Egypt was strong and the Canaanites were so weak in military terms that even small garrisons were enough to ensure loyalty.
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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3668 days) Posts: 2822 Joined: |
quote: Here, democrasy must bow to the right of a nation to have a homeland. Democracy was introduced in the OT (mytical tales), and has conditions and limitations, while the concept of land is precedent, and prevades all species and life forms. Democracy is a component of 'laws', and 'YOU SHALL LIVE BY THIS LAW', not be destroyed by it. The minority is best protected by the law, which includes the rights of strangers and smaller groups ("Equal justice for the inhabitant as the stranger'). By itself, democracy negates the rights of a minority.
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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3668 days) Posts: 2822 Joined: |
quote: As opposed to what - we know of canaan via OT narratives? The other writings, very meagre bits of letters and relics, and without dates and specific historical data, serve as reflections of the OT narratives.
quote: Yes, egypt had a history with canaan, which peoples travelled to and fro: this is recorded in the OT, whereby Abraham and his wife visited Egypt well before Joseph was born. Egypt did not speak hebrew, which indicates this was a new/different language in this region; it was also not spoken in Mesopotamia. The hebrew language and monotheism was a suspicious thing in this spacetime, which conflicted with divine kings and the absence of laws. The latter can be a valid reason why the eight kingdoms of Canaan rejected Israel and barred her entry; it is akin to promoting democracy in a lawless area of dictators.
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Cold Foreign Object  Suspended Member (Idle past 3048 days) Posts: 3417 Joined: |
It is also a really stupid attempt to rebut the issue of why there are no records of Hebrew's in Egypt or of some event similar to what is described in the Exodus Myth. Why don't you attempt to answer the question? There are no Egyptian records of the Plagues (excluding Ipuwer) or the Exodus because Egypt was destroyed and ANE do not record defeats - remember? Why would any scribe record that which Egypt wanted to forget? The absence of recording, logically, fully supports the Biblical account.
One thing the Egyptian Pharaohs DID do is record their ascendancy. If there was any truth to the Exodus Myth, we should see a NEW Pharaoh ascending to the throne recorded. Unfortunately for the Exodus really happened crowd, that evidence just taint there. So far there has NEVER been found any of the needed support that the Exodus ever happened. Giant straw man: "If it happened there would be a record." Show me any Egyptian record that records a defeat? BTW: Jar claims to be a Christian, please do not mistake his anti-Bible views for an Atheist.
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