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DrJones* Member Posts: 2290 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 6.9
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Humanity needs a Savior.
what are we being saved from? Edited by DrJones*, : No reason given.It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds soon I discovered that this rock thing was true Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world And so there was only one thing I could do Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On *not an actual doctor
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Phat Member Posts: 18345 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
what are we being saved from? Our own unenlightened animal brain. Humans represented the one animal that moved on into life, unlike any other animal. Evidently the Creator took interest in this species...though critics accuse the species itself of anthropomorphizing God. By nature alone, we will either destroy ourselves or become an evil hybrid ready to defeat others. Manifest destiny continued. The Creator of all seen and unseen intervened. We have an opportunity to establish a universal relationship, but not on our own brutish and cunning terms. Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"We, humans, are engaged in an ongoing war of ideologies. I see it in this microcosm of EvC Forum just as I see it in the governments and attitudes of people throughout the world. Take your pick: Oppression or Seduction . "~Thugpreacha You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.? R.C. Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith
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DrJones* Member Posts: 2290 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 6.9 |
Our own unenlightened animal brain.
speak for yourself. H. sapiens is pretty enlightened, name another species that has voluntarily left the planet.
By nature alone, we will either destroy ourselves or become an evil hybrid ready to defeat others.
some support for this assertion would be swell.It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds soon I discovered that this rock thing was true Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world And so there was only one thing I could do Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On *not an actual doctor
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Phat Member Posts: 18345 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
OK Dr.Jones, if you honestly think that humans can make it, get past our competitive destructive phase amongst ourselves and venture out like Star Trek, I hope you are right...even if it makes me wrong
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"We, humans, are engaged in an ongoing war of ideologies. I see it in this microcosm of EvC Forum just as I see it in the governments and attitudes of people throughout the world. Take your pick: Oppression or Seduction . "~Thugpreacha You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.? R.C. Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5952 Joined: Member Rating: 5.2 |
OK Dr.Jones, if you honestly think that humans can make it, get past our competitive destructive phase amongst ourselves and venture out like Star Trek, I hope you are right...even if it makes me wrong OK, so then your alternative is to submit ourselves to the will of some authoritarian who tells us that he and he alone can interpret what Jebus wants us to do. Gee, try to figure it out or else submit mindlessly to some clueless authoritarian nut. Hmmm! Tough one, that! What to do? What to do? Edited by dwise1, : will of
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Phat Member Posts: 18345 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
More correctly what His Daddy is gonna do to them, which really ends up being what they do to themselves by refusing Him and what the inevitable consequences are.
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"We, humans, are engaged in an ongoing war of ideologies. I see it in this microcosm of EvC Forum just as I see it in the governments and attitudes of people throughout the world. Take your pick: Oppression or Seduction . "~Thugpreacha You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.? R.C. Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith
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Phat Member Posts: 18345 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
OK, so then your alternative is to submit ourselves to the will of some authoritarian who tells us that he and he alone can interpret what Jebus wants us to do. Heres the thing though. Nobody has to submit to any authoritarian. That's the bad spirit that infiltrated organized religion like it infiltrates or attempts to infiltrate everything human. If Jesus existed and if He brought the Holy Spirit by his subsequent necessary crucifixion and absence, the only authority that we are encouraged to listen to is that Spirit. No human should be anything apart from a teacher/encourager...never should we surrender our autonomy to any guru, prophet, or self-proclaimed authority. All we are encouraged to do is fellowship with like-minded believers and celebrate our communion with the Holy Spirit. Trust me its better than communion with alcohol! Gee, try to figure it out or else submit mindlessly to some clueless authoritarian nut. Hmmm! Tough one, that! What to do? What to do?Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"We, humans, are engaged in an ongoing war of ideologies. I see it in this microcosm of EvC Forum just as I see it in the governments and attitudes of people throughout the world. Take your pick: Oppression or Seduction . "~Thugpreacha You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.? R.C. Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1472 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
what are we being saved from? Hell. Many religions have a Hell or other form of punishment in the afterlife. Only Christianity has a Savior from it.
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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Faith writes: Many religions have a Hell or other form of punishment in the afterlife. Only Christianity has a Savior from it. Yup, that's the classic Snake-Oil product so much of Christianity markets. But of course there is zero evidence that it works even if it does make the sucker that bought it feel good while the dope lasts. It is pitiful and disgusting.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1472 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
I have never had a belief in hell and I seem to be doing quite fine.
Many religions do not have a hell or other form of punishment in the afterlife. Therefore they have no need of a savior from it. See what I did there. So the premise of your religion is. There was a dude that created all including a heaven and hell, then he sent his "son" down to one part of his creation in order to save people from going to the really bad place he created and he that is sending people to.He sounds kind of incompetent and/or weak to me. Or maybe just a tad confused? Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1472 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
God created everything good. But He alsomade it possible for free creatures to disobey Him. First the angels and then human beings disobeyed Him. And there are natural consequences of that, consequences in this life and in the life to come since human beings are immortal. Hell is a natural consequence of the violation of the perfect good Moral Law. The Moral Law can't change. If it is violated the violator must be punished. There are various ways this is recognized in other religions than Christianity, such as the concept of Karma in estern religions. those religions also recognize a Hell. Different religions have different versions of punishment in the afterlife but
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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
That is simply not evidence Faith.
And the only possible connection to the topic is just more evidence of your total disconnection from reality.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
The Moral Law can't change.
So your god dude isn't omnipotent or omniscient?Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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