Creationist Reasoning for Rubisco's Flaw

That's easy to say in a general sense, but what exactly is causing the change and specifically how is nature changing?In other words, what's motivating the change?

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Okay, I'm going to go ahead and assume that AiG is joking.So the creationist's answer to my question is that rubisco is flawed because of sin?

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Sin, the curse, God. We'd need to know what nature was like before sin. We only have a basic description in genesis. One change was in the introduction of death, another was the ground needed to be worked to enable crops to be harvested.

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I'm pretty sure that joeferrari15 was referring to AiG=AnswersInGenitals (our member), while I think Modulous was referring to AiG= Answers in Genesis .

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I wonder if this can be substantiated through experimentations. I'm thinking something along the line of people committing infidelity and then have children. We could see how degraded the children's genetic makeup compared to the level of infidelity committed by the parents.

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I'm pretty sure that joeferrari15 was referring to AiG=AnswersInGenitals (our member)

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Yes :-D

(Exodus, chapt. 20 and elsewhere)We see that the iniquity is only inflicted down through the fourth generation, so that the genomic degradation is limited to that generational span and then makes a full recovery. Also, it is only inflicted from father to son, and in particular not from mother to daughter, so that the wife can be a whoring slut without any deleterious effect to be seen in the daughters', grand-daughters', etc., genotype or phenotype. This tells us that the correct place to look for the genome impact of sin is in the Y chromosome, while the mitochondria can be used as an effective control. Who says that the bible is not to be read as a biology textbook?

and... It appears to the layman that O2 in plants is to some extent unavoidable and therefore a mechanism for it's removal must be available.
So, when the usless (to the plant) 2-carbon sugar leaves it takes the useless O2 with it.
However, it leaves the valuable 3-carbon sugar behind which is an efficient thing to do.
Efficiency is nice but, if plants were geared to maximum efficiency they would risk an avalanche of energy and burn the plant up. In the same way a engine is governed so as to prevent uncontrolled acceleration.
That the plant suffers loss of starch is the energy price required for the O2 removal. And, there is always a price to pay isn't there?To show that a design is flawed it is more appropriate to show that there is a better way to accomplish the task.It's like the closing of the stomata. The plant appears to be designed to have the stomata open in good times and closed during the bad for adaptability to changing enviromental circumstances. The consequences of which is problematic. But, it appears that someone analysed the possible circumstances and provided an adequate solution for the problems created by the closing of the stomata.
It turns out that it is the affinity to O2 that allows the necessary removal of O2 and subsequently the flexibility of stomata closure. Which is a good thing.
I can't reason against the expectation that 100% efficiency in all circumstances wouldn't be a great thing. But, it isn't a realistic expectation.Joman.

oops - my bad. Sorry about that. Thanks nwr. *shakes fist at AnswersInGenitals* damn your ambiguously abbreviated handle.I suppose the is/are disagreement (AiGenesis being plural and AiGenitals being paradoxicaly single) should have tipped me off.

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However, it leaves the valuable 3-carbon sugar behind which is an efficient thing to do.

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The 3-carbon sugar is useless as well.

A recent paper published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences has debunked the notion that Rubisco's flaw is the result of evolutionary baggage consequent to a changing environment. Rachmilevitch et al. , in their paper "Nitrate assimilation in plant shoots depends on photorespiration", reveal that photorespiration is a necessary precursor to nitrate assimilation - a process vital to the plants vitality.As the report indicates, inhibiting photorespiration inhibits nitrate assimilation, which is detrimental to plant vitality. Thus photorespiration is proposed as playing a significant and important role in C3 plants, contrary to current evolutionary thought, which until now conceived of photorespiration playing a detrimental, and in no way beneficial, role.

I thought you left?

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