Are we prisoners of sin

Are you pulling our leg, Peg, or do you really not see this? Hint: what was the name of that tree?

Well c'mon, the tree wasnt magic...it wasn't full of a special potion that suddenly gave them knowledge. It wasnt brain food, It was just a tree.

We as Christians? I've never, and likely never will, met two people who called themselves Christians (Jews, Muslims, what-have-you) who interpreted their holy book the same way. Yet they nod agreement to each other's nebulous proclamations, also interpreting those to fit their own ideas. "We as Christians? is one of the lamest starters of all time. As has been asked of you before: Do you follow Leviticus? You and your god can stick-it. I have not sinned. Coragyps has not sinned. Granny Magda has not sinned. Purpledawn has not sinned. Chiropetra has not sinned. Rahvin has not sinned. Woodsy has not sinned. And Dwise1 has not sinned. As hedonistic as any one of us cares to get we are incapable of sin. There are seven more participants in this thread whom I suspect haven't sinned but have yet to state so directly. Your "sin" concept does not apply to us. One can't drive on the wrong side of the road in Antarctica. Dear SammyJean, whereas I am not at all offended by your nudity, I am offended by gratuitous advertisements. Could you please take that down?

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Genesis 2
17 But of the ponderosa pine, thou shalt not eat of it; for in the day that thou shinniest thereof thou shalt sorely learn of thy nakedness.
18 And we all live happily ever after.

Yes one can. Current convention follows US traffic law since McMurdo station was the first establishment with enough vehicles to require some sort of organized road system. While I agree that sin is a religious concept, wrestling with your darker self appears to be a reality. We all have selfish desires which run counter to established moral or social requirements. If you are married, you still struggle with the infidelity even if you never give into it.
Can we say that we are a prisoner to this (moral/societal) lawbreaking side of ourselves? I don't think so, unless you consider the presence of the desire to be some kind of imprisonment.Paul's concept of sin follows Jesus' teaching that desiring to do wrong is also wrong, even if you don't follow through in your actions.
If this is accepted by the religious, then their internal desires make them prisoners to sin.While we all struggle with our selfish tendencies, our concept of it's incarcerating capability depends entirely on our theological outlook.

I am curious. Do you and the others here who talk about what Adam and Eve did and said really believe that these are things that actually happened in the real world?In the face of what we now know about the real world, do you really believe that these things happened?

Are we prisoners of sin? To this question my answer will be a flat uncompromising yes, in fact we are willing prisoners of sin, we have given our lives, choices, decisions, and our very being up to sin. We have put sin in the drivers seat of everything we do and everything we are, thereby becoming not merely willing prisoners of sin but also willing slaves of sin.We may deny that we are sinful we may contend it with all of our might, but the mere fact that we would more willingly commit sinful acts then good acts and find it easier to be bad as apposed to being good, find it easier to lie as apposed to being honest, find it easier to steal as apposed to returning and not stealing, find it easier to cuss as apposed to speaking life giving words, find it easier to be jealous about others as apposed to being happy for others, find it easier to be promiscuous as apposed to being vestal until marriage, the mere fact that we would more willing do the above shows that we are indeed Willing Prisoners of Sin.

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The bible is called the word of God, and all of it, all, not portions, but all of scripture, from Genesis 1 to Revelations 22 is God's Word. All of it is useful for teaching and helping people and for correcting them and showing them how to live.- 2Ti 3:16. When the prophets spoke and wrote they did so under the inspiration of the holy ghost.

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I agree that the authors were inspired. All writer's are inspired. I agree that it is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training people of God. 2 Timothy 3:16 does not say that the Bible is the word of God. Please quote accurately. Also remember that at the time of its writing (100-150BCE) the NT did not exist as holy scripture. Also notice that the verse refers to people of God, not everyone on the planet. To accurately teach, train or correct, one must understand what the authors were saying. So we have to understand who is actually speaking or supposedly speaking, on who authority the speaker is speaking, who or whom does the verse apply to, and if what's being said applies to a limited timeframe.

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So for you to try and dictate with your natural mind that a particular verse is uninspired and for that reason doesn't retain the truth or not at least all of the truth is, is ungodly. But as Christians we consider the entire bible to be God breathed and God inspired and not just portions of it.

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Disagreeing with the dogma you present is not ungodly. If you read the OT you find that God does not like people to put words in his mouth. So when someone says "God said..." and it is really Paul speaking, I speak up.

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Every verse that I have presented is inclusive nobody is left out, all have sinned, all are sinners, no one is righteous, no one does good. This are verses referring to the entire human population, if they weren't they would have read something to these effect; only some have sinned not everyone has sinned for there are righteous man who haven't sin and what have you. But you are at liberty to interpret the bible as you wish, but like I already have pointed out, your interpretation is exactly your interpretation,uninspired of the Holy Ghost. Only the Holy Ghost can reveal biblical truths and no natural man can unravel God's word using his own understanding.

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And yet the dogma and tradition that you have presented has been created by man's understanding.All you have to do is read the Bible as it is written in full books, chapters, and paragraphs the way a writing is meant to be read. The information is quite clear. Mankind is capable of doing good, there were and are righteous people, and God did not command sacrifices. Repentance is all that is needed for God's forgiveness. So mankind as a whole is not doomed and unable to do what is right in God's eyes.All of mankind is not a prisoner of sin where sin is going against God's will or laws.

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Paul and other christian writers used the OT Messianic prophecies and attributed their fullfilment to Jesus... they didnt invent anything new, they applied the existing prophecies to Jesus.

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some examples are found in Acts 8:26-40 where it reports that when the Ethiopian eunuch said that he did not know the identity of the Servant of Isaiah’s prophecy in Is 53:7-8, Philip pointed out that it was pointing to Jesus.

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The Isaiah 52-53 is one of those topics that can overrun a thread. For a prophecy to be true all parts of the prophecy must match, not just a few. Read Isaiah 52-53 carefully and try not to be influenced by the titles and chapter separations. Read it as you would any other book. Obviously, I disagree that the suffering servant is Jesus. I won't go into anymore detail since I'm not sure what this has to do with being or not being a "prisoner of sin". My guess is it has more to do with my statement that Jesus was not a sacrifice for our sins. If you want to discuss that aspect further I suggest you go to the thread Jesus Was Not A Sacrifice To Forgive Sins and read what has been argued. We can continue that discussion there if you wish, but please read all the thread before posting.I already explained how Jews pulled verses to make another point. That doesn't make their new point right, that's why we have all these discussions. Even clergy doesn't always agree, that's why we have so many different sects of religions.

It is to your benefit that I am unable to type while making raspberries with moose antlers.AbE: I agree, we all have our inner "demons". But the diminutive quotation marks aren't an option for many.AbaE: Cedre, add to your list in post #126 "a willful disregard for the statements of others."Edited by lyx2no, : No reason given.Edited by lyx2no, : Add another edit.

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Genesis 2
17 But of the ponderosa pine, thou shalt not eat of it; for in the day that thou shinniest thereof thou shalt sorely learn of thy nakedness.
18 And we all live happily ever after.

Beg pardon? Have you even read Genesis? Of course it was a Magic Tree. There was a Magic Walking Talking Snake, too. The freakin' text demands it.

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"The wretched world lies now under the tyranny of foolishness; things are believed by Christians of such absurdity as no one ever could aforetime induce the heathen to believe." - Agobard of Lyons, ca. 830 AD

Speak for yourself, and quit projecting all the time.

Good grief! What type of people do you hang around?

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We may deny that we are sinful we may contend it with all of our might, but the mere fact that we would more willingly commit sinful acts then good acts and find it easier to be bad as apposed to being good, find it easier to lie as apposed to being honest, find it easier to steal as apposed to returning and not stealing, find it easier to cuss as apposed to speaking life giving words, find it easier to be jealous about others as apposed to being happy for others, find it easier to be promiscuous as apposed to being vestal until marriage, the mere fact that we would more willing do the above shows that we are indeed Willing Prisoners of Sin.

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You have not provided anything that suggests that all people or even all religious people find it easier to do wrong than to do right.There is no visual confirmation today, that suggests that all people or all religious people find it easier to do wrong than to do right. So it is not a fact that all people or all religious people are more willing to do wrong than to do good. That type of rhetoric does not serve to edify (to instruct and improve especially in moral and religious knowledge). I consider it more of a tactic to make people afraid or feel hopeless so they will be more open to a religion's salvation sales pitch.Because I know people, besides myself, who don't find it difficult to do what is right, I know that your all inclusive claims are false.Do you truthfully not see anyone who does anything good?

What are you trying to do? Recruit people to your religion by inflicting some kind of mental illness on them?Anyone who is at all aware of other people knows that your statements are utterly false.

Purpledawn it is because of the problem of sin or doing wrong that people have that even a concept such as morality exists in the first place. Purpledawn you have to give me examples of nations and tribes, where people live in peace and complete harmony, where people can live their windows and doors open at night, live their property outside unattended, and sleep peacefully at night with all doors unlocked and all windows unsecured. Supply me with examples where people will go on holidays to far away places and live property not secured.On the other hand why do locks sell out so quickly, why are they made available all around world, why do weapons exists all around the world, why do we have courts and judicial systems, why do we have jails, and punishment laws in place. Why is war such a known thing everywhere. I'm afraid purpledawn, the existence of these things testify loud and clearly to the fact that sin is a worldwide epidemic.

Purpledawn let's see if you don't have a problem with sin shall we: Just be honest in answering but again if you're not honest in answering it will say a lot about your resistance to sin.1. Do you lie? How many times have you lied to save your butt?
2. Do you steal, regardless of how small in value an item is? If someone in front of you in a crowd somewhere dropped something of great worth and you were the only one who noticed would you return that item to the owner or nip it?
3. Do you look at women with lust? That is do you naughty daydreams about an attractive girl you've seen or met?
4. Have you ever wanted something that belonged to someone else and if the chance to have it presented itself would you take it by the horns, or walk away?
5. Would you give a hundred bucks away if someone on the street asked for it?
6. If you got into a fight with someone, and you know this person is just plain wrong and that you're right would you forgive this person anyway anyway and be the first to apologize in fact?
5. The bible says no greater love can a man display than to lay his life down for a friend. Would you do this?If you pass this test with honesty and sincerity then I would say yes in deed, a sinless man is a possible happening. Edited by Cedre, : No reason given.Edited by Cedre, : No reason given.