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Topic: Exposing the evolution theory. Part 2
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Taq
Member Posts: 10038 Joined: 03-06-2009 Member Rating: 5.4
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Message 406 of 1104 (906968)
02-16-2023 10:41 PM
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Reply to: Message 405 by sensei
02-16-2023 10:32 PM
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Re: problems with detecting design
sensei writes: If nested hierarchy is violated, small or big, it is no longer a strictly nested hierarchy. Strictly no. However, we do see nested hierarchy we would expect to see if there is only interbreeding between closely related species, just as we see in nature.
So we find that even evolution has not produced a real nested hierarchy, if common ancestry were true. We do see the patterns of shared and derived features we would expect from common ancestry and interbreeding between closely related species.
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9142 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.3
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Message 407 of 1104 (906969)
02-16-2023 10:42 PM
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Reply to: Message 405 by sensei
02-16-2023 10:32 PM
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Re: problems with detecting design
That is not a gotcha as you think it is.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Tanypteryx
Member Posts: 4411 From: Oregon, USA Joined: 08-27-2006 Member Rating: 5.4
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Message 408 of 1104 (906984)
02-17-2023 1:07 PM
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Reply to: Message 407 by Theodoric
02-16-2023 10:42 PM
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Re: problems with detecting design
His grasp of science, biology, and evolution seems almost non-existent. I wonder if he's done with 89 content less posts, or if he's going further demonstrate his ignorance?
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty PythonOne important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9142 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.3
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Re: problems with detecting design
Hopefully, he has done his duty and his pastor will sign off on the coursework. He sounds like he was homeschooled.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Taq
Member Posts: 10038 Joined: 03-06-2009 Member Rating: 5.4
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Re: problems with detecting design
Tanypteryx writes: His grasp of science, biology, and evolution seems almost non-existent. Dunning-Kruger in full effect. I think I have a decent basic understanding of physics, but I wouldn't barrel forward and declare quantum physics to be bogus based on what knowledge I do have. And yet, creationists with almost no knowledge of biology feel that they have everything they need to disprove a theory with 170 years of evidence and science behind it. It's amazing to watch in the "slowly drive by a car wreck" sort of way.
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Phat
Member Posts: 18298 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: 12-30-2003 Member Rating: 1.1
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Message 411 of 1104 (906994)
02-17-2023 3:44 PM
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Reply to: Message 409 by Theodoric
02-17-2023 1:34 PM
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Re: problems with detecting design
Theo writes: Hopefully, he has done his duty and his pastor will sign off on the coursework. He sounds like he was homeschooled. Homeschooling has its place. It largely depends on whose home the classes are at and whether the curriculum allows for critical thought. By the way, are we talking about Porkncheese? He really needs to step up his game. *looks back at topic*.....oh its our new guy sensei! I dont know much about him yet.
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AZPaul3
Member Posts: 8527 From: Phoenix Joined: 11-06-2006 Member Rating: 5.2
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Message 412 of 1104 (906999)
02-17-2023 4:28 PM
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Reply to: Message 411 by Phat
02-17-2023 3:44 PM
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Re: problems with detecting design
Home school, one-room school, alabama school, doesn't matter. Whatever the processes he passed through didn't work. The system failed, again, to prepare the kid properly for responsible adulthood. It left him a religionist without a god. Now he gives society pain.
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
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sensei
Member Posts: 480 Joined: 01-24-2023
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Message 413 of 1104 (907015)
02-18-2023 11:42 AM
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Reply to: Message 407 by Theodoric
02-16-2023 10:42 PM
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Re: problems with detecting design
Neither is your response.
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sensei
Member Posts: 480 Joined: 01-24-2023
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Message 414 of 1104 (907016)
02-18-2023 11:54 AM
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Reply to: Message 406 by Taq
02-16-2023 10:41 PM
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Re: problems with detecting design
Problem is, you deny other designs to be nested hierarchy due to few violations, but you accept violations in organism hierarchy. How many violations are allowed to be still called nested hierarchy?
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sensei
Member Posts: 480 Joined: 01-24-2023
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Message 415 of 1104 (907017)
02-18-2023 11:55 AM
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Reply to: Message 412 by AZPaul3
02-17-2023 4:28 PM
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Re: problems with detecting design
Schooling has not prevented 99% of evolutionist to have developed terribly bad logic.
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9142 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.3
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Message 416 of 1104 (907019)
02-18-2023 12:10 PM
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Reply to: Message 413 by sensei
02-18-2023 11:42 AM
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Re: problems with detecting design
Gotcha is another thing you seem to not know about. The list grows.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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sensei
Member Posts: 480 Joined: 01-24-2023
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Message 417 of 1104 (907020)
02-18-2023 12:23 PM
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Reply to: Message 416 by Theodoric
02-18-2023 12:10 PM
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Re: problems with detecting design
Keep making wrong assumptions, as expected from an evolutionist.
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9142 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.3
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Message 418 of 1104 (907023)
02-18-2023 12:44 PM
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Reply to: Message 417 by sensei
02-18-2023 12:23 PM
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Re: problems with detecting design
What is an evolutionist? What is somebody that is not an "evolutionist" called?
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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sensei
Member Posts: 480 Joined: 01-24-2023
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Message 419 of 1104 (907048)
02-18-2023 3:05 PM
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Reply to: Message 418 by Theodoric
02-18-2023 12:44 PM
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Re: problems with detecting design
If you don't know what an evolutionist is, then sorry for you.
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9142 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.3
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Message 420 of 1104 (907053)
02-18-2023 3:13 PM
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Reply to: Message 419 by sensei
02-18-2023 3:05 PM
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Re: problems with detecting design
So just some lame term you learned in church? Youtube? If you cannot explain your argument or the terms you use how do you expect us to be able to respond? You don't want us to respond, but rather just accept the crap you spew? Edited by Theodoric, .
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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