Evolution and Specialness of Humanity

Statements like this are completely useless and worse flat out pathetic.If you can't see value in a world except through your own personal port hole on reality, it doesn't mean that there is not value. It means that you lack the ability to see it.You claim that, somehow, the Theory of Evolution robs humanity of it's purpose and robs the world of love.Instead, you want people to believe in, what? Your personal mythology? Why is your mythology more purposeful than any other mythology? Why is your mythology more loving?Shouldn't the world just take a look at all the myths and pick whichever one is the most loving? Certainly not the bloodthirty judeo-christian myths.The conclusion you're drawing here is like looking at a marathon.100,000 people start. One wins. In your world, he serves no purpose.Instead, wouldn't it be nicer if a bus just pulled up to the finish line and let some fat guy off. Then, that winner would have a purpose, he'd have accomplished something.Before you start putting down reality, you might want to take a long hard look at the fantasy you're trying to shove down other people's throats.

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Who cares if it is the result of differential reproductive success or it was created by the a whimsical fiat of a magical being? Please explain to me why the one is better than the other.

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Creo:In the end what love I have shown to people is real, is about the moment, about me, and about anyone. The love means more to myself and the reciver/s. (excluding the creator for obvious reasons)Evo:In the end the love I have given is part of a series of social interaction to advance the species.

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I am smiling.

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you’ve actually been telling people that what they experience is not genuine because they don’t subscribe to your worldview.

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As realistic my scenario may have been, I meant only to tell through the eye of evolution, not in truth what exists for humanity, and for you and yours.I wrote

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Thanks, it’s always nice to be noticed .

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hahaha you are awesome!!!!!

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Is this what you are trying to say? Have I read your idea correctly?

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Yep, exactly. I want to apologize for the last comment, I tried to avoid it when it was brought up by other posters, but now that I have to face the music I have to say sorry about it. I can see how it was wrong of me to say that. I was trying to get a point across, but I did it in the wrong way.

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How do you tell the difference between a real feeling of love and a fake feeling of love? How do you tell the difference between a real feeling of love and a fake feeling of love?

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I used 'fake' as an adjective to describe the illusion that one's love is given as a mechanism for evolution. I used 'real' to describe a human's showing of care towards an individual, or multitudes of individuals as an act of genuine love, done for the moment, and for the individual/s. Not for the mechanism.

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What is life like in real life then? Do you see nothing when other people see on love?

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I see the world as it is, a world that is filled with genuine love. (genuine as described in schraf's reply) To say that this love was simply part of evolution's mechanical process would be an insult, and a total understatement, it would defile this love, I don't accept that as truth. I see the world as it is, a God-given wonder.

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How is that incompatible with the TOE?

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Go back to evilbible.com. The only reality that I am "pulling down" is the false reality of your mind. Wait, not of your mind even, of a man's mind embedded in a textbook, unveiled for you to accept with all the physical evidence in the world, but what you lost is life, you lost anything worth anything at all when you accepted Charles' Idea, you lost your uniqueness, and you let it drain away, and here you are arguing against someone who sees really what is alive in the world, and what is truth. Someone who knows that their, AND your life is worth much more than your foolish and fabricated mechanisms, that you learned of and memorized, and believed whole-heartedly, a man's invention gives you a shabby purpose filled with competition of individuals, a virtual rat-race of species. Humanity loses all of it's value, and we become the organisms we can crush with a finger, we become souless, and we lose our dignity. Regain your dignity and honor as a human, and realize that we, You are important, and that you are unique. Life really isn't the way that you and the majority of humans see it, it has more meaning than that of a survival mechanism. Your love is not lost, it has become faded with doctrine.The above is egotistical, and if taken the wrong way, a personal attack. But the above is gladly not what really exists, the above is what exists in the mind of evolution, what has distorted the views of many here among us.

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I am smiling.

It excludes life on earth.

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I am smiling.

How?

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

To understand the TOE, humanity is involved, God would not give a world of competitive strife and struggle.

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I am smiling.

Is this a world of strife and struggle?

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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In the end what love I have shown to people is real, is about the moment, about me, and about anyone. The love means more to myself and the reciver/s. (excluding the creator for obvious reasons)

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How can you call this a reply? You are begging the question. Why is it real? Why did God create love, and why is that reason better than it being evolved?Why would you rather the answer to be:Love is a feeling I have because a magical being created me to have it.

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In the end the love I have given is part of a series of social interaction to advance the species.

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The end of what? Love is a feeling we all experience; that is the end of it.Why do we have this feeling? There are multiple explanations, but it will not change the fact that we have this feeling.It is real either way.

Please forgive the generalization, but why do people who believe they have THE TRUTH, come across as nihilists? Evangelical Christians are the most nihilistic group of people I've ever met.It is a bizarre paradox.You seem truly upset that people accept the evidence of evolution. Me, I'm upset with people who go out and convert people to their religion. It destroys the diversity and plurality of culture in the world. It is a tragedy. Akin to the extinction of species.This message has been edited by Clark, 10-13-2005 12:47 AMThis message has been edited by Clark, 10-13-2005 12:47 AM

You haven't met too many nihilists, apparently.Well, you met one now.What do you want to know? Is life worth living? Not really.Is there any meaning in life? No.We work out our salvation with trivialities.

Yawn.You really aren't worth fighting with. It's like I'm at the nut house trying to convince the patient he's not Napolean.Yes, you are right, you're super special. The magic mystery man waved his super wand 6 thousand years ago and created you.All the fossils are just fakes. All the other people who believe in other religions are just here for you to have people to shoot your guns at when you send young Christian soldiers off to war. We should still have slaves. And it costs just a few silver coins to buy your rape victom as your wife. Great world you choose to believe in.Don't believe science. We don't mind. You don't have anything to contribute to it anyway.