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pink sasquatch
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Message 181 of 204 (125070)
07-16-2004 4:48 PM
Reply to: Message 179 by Robert Byers
07-16-2004 4:40 PM


I claim victory. I claim the kill... My opponents are intellectually wearied and done.
Not surprising to see you make more assertions with no foundation in reality...
Why are parent/child relationships a "special case" for DNA such that DNA-based methodology does not extend to any other aspects of biology?
Would you accept that grandparent-grandchild relationships could be analyzed using DNA-based techniques?

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Loudmouth
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Message 182 of 204 (125071)
07-16-2004 4:55 PM
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07-16-2004 4:40 PM


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I cam,I saw,I conquored
I bet you said the same thing when leaving your english classes. Unfortunately, you couln't even conquer your own ignorance of biology, your claim of victory is ringing very hollow.
quote:
I have not proven my points. YET i have proven that Marsupial biogeography fits creationists models of the past fine. Watch the equation.
It is the creationist models that are incorrect. I could claim that UFO's beamed all of the marsupials to Australia using quantum beams. Therefore, since all of the marsupials are in Australia that proves that UFO's exist. I could go on, but I think you get the point.
What we have is the obnoxious, bloodied drunk guy who claims he beat up everyone in the bar when in fact he tripped over his own shoelaces. It doesn't even take a high school diploma to understand how utterly false your claim of victory is.
quote:
I have not proven my points. YET i have proven that Marsupial biogeography fits creationists models of the past fine. Watch the equation.
The only thing I learned was the need for a better science education curiculum in high schools. That, and how vacuous creationists can really be.
quote:
If a serious line of arguementation appears then I will respond but otherwise I'm off to fight in the other forums on evcforum.
How about this. Positive evidence for anything that you have claimed in the last hundred posts.

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Coragyps
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Message 183 of 204 (125074)
07-16-2004 5:02 PM
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07-16-2004 4:40 PM


I claim victory. I claim the kill. Hope all enjoyed and were instructed.
I claim that you're full of crap clear up past your eyeballs, Robert. 'Bye.

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sidelined
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Message 184 of 204 (125075)
07-16-2004 5:04 PM
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07-16-2004 4:40 PM


Robert Byers
I claim victory. I claim the kill. Hope all enjoyed and were instructed. My opponents are intellectually wearied and done.
Funny how the intellectually wearied and done {stick a fork in me boys} are still here debating with all due passion and respect while the one claiming victory slinks off to stroke their ego.
Please excuse me now for I am desperate to wither away in my poverty. Alas what shall we do without the wisdom of our dear departed friend? LOL
Veni, Vidi, Velcro
I came, I saw, I stuck around
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Chiroptera
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Message 185 of 204 (125083)
07-16-2004 5:35 PM
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07-16-2004 4:40 PM


Bwahahahaha!
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i have proven that Marsupial biogeography fits creationists models of the past fine.
Actually, all you did was assert that all the placental animals in Australia microevolved pouches. And microevolved the tendency to give birth to, essentially, fetuses. And all microevolved prominent cheekbones. And they all microevolved certain holes in the roof of the mouth that other mammals never microevolved. And that they are the only ones to microevolve the tympanic bullae. And they all microevolved thinner, longer skulls. And no other mammal microevolved this combination of features. Except the oppossum in North America, which was evidently the only North American animal which found itself in an Australia-like environment, forcing it to microevolve the same set of features.
I hope the person who bakes your victory cake is a better cook than you are a logician.

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LDSdude
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Message 186 of 204 (177969)
01-17-2005 9:30 PM


Read and learn
It says in the bible that the earth (continents) were devided in the days of peleg. (Gen. 10:25) What this says is that the continents were not always moving as slow as they are now. That means that after Noah landed in the ark, the earth might still have been one great land mass. What you have to understand is that the earth was WAY different back then then it is now. There were no rains to water the earth even. It says that a mist came up from the ground and daily watered the earth. It also speaks of water deviding in the firmament. Could this suggest that water had been stored in or around the atmosphere until the flood when God finally let it all out onto the earth? If you want to understand the ideas of Bible Stories, you cannot just read the story itsef, you must do serious research. God is a scientist, I mean he'd have to be to create and manage a planet, huh? So being a scientist, he makes everything work in systems. From the human body, to the water cycle, everything on earth is part of a self-sustaining system, and the greatest clues as to how it works are probably found in the old testament. So do your research, and you can find numerous explanations for numerous scientific problems that might be found in Creationism.
This message has been edited by LDSdude, 01-17-2005 21:32 AM

A Day unto God is thousands of years to man. 6 Godly Days of creation does not undermine the fossil record.
The fossil record, however, clearly undermines evolution. (Any questions should be asked, and every answer will be given)

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CK
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Message 187 of 204 (177972)
01-17-2005 9:45 PM
Reply to: Message 186 by LDSdude
01-17-2005 9:30 PM


Re: Read and learn
Welcome to the site - could I be honest with you?
Every single one of your points has been blown totally out of the water over many many years.
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So do your research, and you can find numerous explanations for numerous scientific problems that might be found in Creationism.
No - we've done our research many many times - most of the claims in the old Test lack any scientific basic.
We can't discuss it here (because it's off topic) but let me ask you a very simple question that may start you on a trip of discovery.
How did Noah breath during the flood?
It sounds like a daft question but do some reading and come back to us (we can start a thread to discuss it if you like).
best
Charles.

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roxrkool
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Message 188 of 204 (178026)
01-18-2005 2:26 AM
Reply to: Message 186 by LDSdude
01-17-2005 9:30 PM


Re: Read and learn
Look at what one measly little localized earthquake and subsequent tsunami did to all those countries last month. And then imagine what 7 continents moving around at high speeds would do to the continents and any life.
Unless of course you're suggesting god just poofed them into place. Then I have no argument with you.

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MangyTiger
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Message 189 of 204 (178036)
01-18-2005 3:12 AM
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01-18-2005 2:26 AM


Hydroplate Theory In Crisis ?
Look at what one measly little localized earthquake and subsequent tsunami did to all those countries last month. And then imagine what 7 continents moving around at high speeds would do to the continents and any life.
I wonder if any believers in the Hydroplate Theory have come up with a way of weaseling out of this unfotunately proven and well documented gotcha yet ?

Confused ? You will be...

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roxrkool
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Message 190 of 204 (178166)
01-18-2005 12:14 PM
Reply to: Message 189 by MangyTiger
01-18-2005 3:12 AM


Re: Hydroplate Theory In Crisis ?
I'm puttin' my money on the Poofing Theory.

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johnfolton 
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Message 191 of 204 (178210)
01-18-2005 2:14 PM
Reply to: Message 189 by MangyTiger
01-18-2005 3:12 AM


Tusami's
MangyTiger, According to Walt earthquakes on the oceans floor normally happen at low tide. The gravitation of the moon affects plate movements, and there was a full moon Dec 26th 2004. I suppose you would be quite safe sailing at high tide because when has Walt ever been proven wrong? Did the tusami happen at low tide or high tide?
P.S. I agree that God went poof and the plates moved on a hydroplate of steamed waters with just a touch of his hand as it was crushing under the continental plates(water very incompressible and making it the perfect lubricant, in respect to Walts hydroplate theory). Its no different than how professionals move refrigerator's (on a pad of compressed air), with just a touch of their hands.
Walt hydroplate theory does explain how God went poof and how easily the plates could of moved without shaking the whole earth apart. Its really quite an impressive theory, water steam resisting compression allowing massive plates to move quite easily.
Noah wisely built his ark on dry land hundreds of miles (perhaps thousands of miles) from the ocean, so it would not be destroyed by a massive pre-flood tusami.

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CK
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Message 192 of 204 (178229)
01-18-2005 3:05 PM
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01-18-2005 2:14 PM


Re: Tusami's
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Walt hydroplate theory does explain how God went poof
Why do you even need to use the term theory? Why don't you just say "god dun it" when we ask questions? What's the need for the pseudo-scientific explanations?
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Loudmouth
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Message 193 of 204 (178238)
01-18-2005 3:14 PM
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01-18-2005 2:14 PM


Re: Tusami's
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Did the tusami happen at low tide or high tide?
Depends on which coast we are talking about. On some coasts it was low tide, and on some it was high tide.
quote:
I agree that God went poof and the plates moved on a hydroplate of steamed waters with just a touch of his hand as it was crushing under the continental plates(water very incompressible and making it the perfect lubricant, in respect to Walts hydroplate theory).
Did God also go "poof" to get rid of all the heat from the steamed waters, and all of the heat from the plates rubbing against each other? If not, all life would have fried. And if you have to keep relying on "poofs" then is it really a theory or apologetics?
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Walt hydroplate theory does explain how God went poof and how easily the plates could of moved without shaking the whole earth apart.
But it doesn't explain where all the heat went, it doesn't explain the formation of the Hawaiian Islands, or how the current rate of tectonic movement is consistent with all radiometric dating. All it explains is the gullibility of creationists.

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Coragyps
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Message 194 of 204 (178239)
01-18-2005 3:15 PM
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01-18-2005 2:14 PM


Re: Tusami's
Its really quite an impressive theory, water steam resisting compression allowing massive plates to move quite easily.
Actually, it's a steaming pile of horseshit, not an impressive theory. Steam is about as resistant to compression as air is, y'know.
And even if it were low tine at Sumatra, what tide do you think it would be on Sri Lanka? Eastmost Africa? The tsunami hit those places too.

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roxrkool
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Message 195 of 204 (178244)
01-18-2005 3:39 PM
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01-18-2005 2:14 PM


Re: Tusami's
Tom writes:
P.S. I agree that God went poof and the plates moved on a hydroplate of steamed waters with just a touch of his hand as it was crushing under the continental plates(water very incompressible and making it the perfect lubricant, in respect to Walts hydroplate theory). Its no different than how professionals move refrigerator's (on a pad of compressed air), with just a touch of their hands.
Well if god has the ability to 'poof' away the temperatures, the earthquakes, the volcanism, and all that, why couldn't he/she just poofed them into place? Why maneuver them around at all on a steaming bed of water?
Noah wisely built his ark on dry land hundreds of miles (perhaps thousands of miles) from the ocean, so it would not be destroyed by a massive pre-flood tusami.
And you know this how? Where in the Bible does it say there was massive tsunamis? How were they caused?
By the way, it's tsunami, not tusami.
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