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Topic: Chimpanzee-human genetic gap
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Carico
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Re: Repeated warnings
Sorry, but the genetic gap is the fact that apes and humans cannot exchange genes. So my post explains the gentic gap perfectly. Just because you don't want to hear the explanation doesn't at all mean it doesn't apply. Thank you.
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AdminAsgara
Administrator (Idle past 2330 days) Posts: 2073 From: The Universe Joined: 10-11-2003
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Message 137 of 244 (271677)
12-22-2005 10:44 AM
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Reply to: Message 136 by Carico
12-22-2005 10:38 AM
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Re: Repeated warnings
Carico, Wounded King is correct. You are taking the same argument to too many separate threads. Let's stick to just one for now, the Explaining Common Ancestry thread. You were asked before to stay in one thread as your postings are becoming very repetitive. If you have any issues with this request please take it to the appropriate thread in my signature box.
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Carico
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Re: Repeated warnings
They're repetive because they answer every question on this thread. Since it is impossible for one species to turn into another without being able to breed with that species, then all of the questions in this category can be answered by that one simple fact. But since evolutionists either don't know that one species can't turn into another without being able to breed with that species, then it bears repeating until they can see that reality. Then there will be no need for useless debates. Thank you.
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NosyNed
Member Posts: 9004 From: Canada Joined: 04-04-2003
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Message 139 of 244 (271683)
12-22-2005 10:54 AM
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Reply to: Message 138 by Carico
12-22-2005 10:48 AM
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Re: Repeated warnings
It appears, Carico, that you haven't read anything that you have been given as explanations. Since you are responding to the posts I presume you must have glanced at them. The concept is really not all that hard. It has been worded in pretty plain English several times. It appears that English is your first language. Maybe it is just that even this rather simple concept is too much for you. On that basis I have to say you are wasting your time here. This is not a remedial reading class or somewhere for someone who has problems with the more simple concepts. I think there are a number of die hard YEC's here. I think some of them understand the concepts (even though they may not agree with them). Perhaps you can engage them and they can use words you can understand.
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Carico
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Message 140 of 244 (271694)
12-22-2005 11:07 AM
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Reply to: Message 139 by NosyNed
12-22-2005 10:54 AM
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Re: Repeated warnings
Sorry, but you can try to get rid of my posts through anyway that suits your fancy, attack me, say they don't apply, or whatever you like. But it cannot change the fact that one species cannot turn into another without being able to breed with that species. So your attempts to squelch my posts are a waste of time. Sorry. This message has been edited by Carico, 12-22-2005 11:10 AM
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Nuggin
Member (Idle past 2520 days) Posts: 2965 From: Los Angeles, CA USA Joined: 08-09-2005
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Message 141 of 244 (271699)
12-22-2005 11:28 AM
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Reply to: Message 140 by Carico
12-22-2005 11:07 AM
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Stop running away
Stop running to other threads to post the same crap. Go back and deal with the math thread. Once you have shown that you are capable of linear thought we can move on.
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Cold Foreign Object 
Suspended Member (Idle past 3075 days) Posts: 3417 Joined: 11-21-2003
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Re: broken parts
One strong piece of evidence that falsifies your above statement is that humans and chimps have many genetic "mistakes" in common - "broken genes" that serve no function, yet both chimps and humans have them, and "broken" in identical ways. A good example is the the GLO gene - it is broken/non-functional in humans, chimps, guinea pigs, and fruit bats. (The gene is required for vitamin C synthesis, and since it is broken in the above species, the above species must get vitamin C from their diet). Here's the interesting thing - the human and chimp GLO genes are mutated (broken) in the exact same way. The way the human and chimp GLO genes are mutated is different than how either the guinea pig or fruit bat GLO genes are mutated. This single gene example by itself doesn't necessarily indicate common ancestry, but there are numerous cases of non-functional psuedogenes that non-human primates and humans have in common, yet other species do not have. This is evidence for common ancestry, as much is DNA analysis of genome fingerprints used to establish paternity in court cases. How does this make sense in light of separate creation? I understand why a creator would use common functional parts in two similar species, but why would a creator use the same broken parts in two species, or even use broken parts to begin with? I don't know anything about this type of evidence. As it posted above = assertions - no problem. Because I do not know about "broken identical genes" I would counter with other evidence. Yet the broken gene stuff reduced down is a similarity = humans evolved argument. IF we evolved then how does the Darwinian worldview explain the facts of history which show the farther back in calendar time = the smarter mankind was. This flies in the face of human evolution asserting mankind gradually progressed from animal dumbness to what we are today. Fact: the Great Pyramid (singular) incorporates in its physical measurements the EXACT dimensions of the Earth and of course this means the builders knew the Earth was round. Not until Sputnik Satellite 1957 did modern mankind discover the EXACT dimensions of the Earth. These facts lend giant support to the Biblical claim that man did not begin dumb as an animal but ultra-intelligent (Adam) just like the Bible says. Ancient Egypt having just emerged from the Stone Age could not of known the shape and dimensions of the Earth. They thought the Sun orbited the Earth as did Joshua who grew up there. If you deny these facts then I don't blame you with the validity of your worldview on the line. Ray
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Cold Foreign Object
Suspended Member (Idle past 3075 days) Posts: 3417 Joined: 11-21-2003
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Message 143 of 244 (271762)
12-22-2005 3:05 PM
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I owe replies to Modulous. I am too busy until after X-mas. Thanks for the debate. Ray
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Carico
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Message 144 of 244 (271771)
12-22-2005 3:43 PM
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Reply to: Message 141 by Nuggin
12-22-2005 11:28 AM
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Re: Stop running away
Then please prove that one species can turn into another species without being able to interbreed and there won't be any problem. Otherwise your attacks on me are completely unwarranted. Thank you.
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Nuggin
Member (Idle past 2520 days) Posts: 2965 From: Los Angeles, CA USA Joined: 08-09-2005
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Message 145 of 244 (271777)
12-22-2005 3:55 PM
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Reply to: Message 144 by Carico
12-22-2005 3:43 PM
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Re: Stop running away
You still display a basic misunderstanding of the theory, so until you've proven capable of understanding basics like counting, we can't move the debate further.
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.2
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Message 146 of 244 (271787)
12-22-2005 5:18 PM
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Reply to: Message 134 by Carico
12-22-2005 10:12 AM
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Re: evidence and falsifications
Do you use any critical analysis when you take info from other sites? The site has the typical rehashing of debunked ideas and "theories". The President and Vice-President of this group are engineers. Hardly people I would rely on for information about genetics. The President of the group also volunteers at the Biblical Archeology and Anthropology Museum, and maintains the museum's web site ( http://www.BAAMonline.org). Hardly an unbiased source. Is he a scientist against evolution? I guess so. But to use his credentials as a scientist to criticize evolution is disingenuous at best and fraud at its worst. Use critical analysis when reading stuff on the net. Everything out there isnt true. This message has been edited by Theodoric, 12-22-2005 04:24 PM
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AdminAsgara
Administrator (Idle past 2330 days) Posts: 2073 From: The Universe Joined: 10-11-2003
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Message 147 of 244 (271796)
12-22-2005 5:41 PM
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Reply to: Message 144 by Carico
12-22-2005 3:43 PM
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DO NOT REPLY TO CARICO IN THIS THREAD
Carico, This is the last time I am going to say this. You are arguing the exact same argument on the other thread. Stop replying to this thread or I will suspend you. Whether it is the same issue or not does not matter. You are having difficulty understanding what is being said to you and I think you will do better to stick to one thread at a time. Learn what others are saying to you concerning common ancestry before you come to a thread concerning a particular ancestry. No one is asking you to AGREE with what others are saying, merely to understand what they are saying. This message has been edited by AdminAsgara, 12-22-2005 04:41 PM
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Funkaloyd
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Re: broken parts
Herepton writes: the broken gene stuff reduced down is a similarity = humans evolved argument. Well either humans and chimpanzees share a common ancestor, or humans and chimpanzees share an incompetent designer. A lot of Christians prefer to believe the former.
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Omnivorous
Member Posts: 3990 From: Adirondackia Joined: 07-21-2005 Member Rating: 6.9
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Re: broken parts
Funkaloyd writes: Well either humans and chimpanzees share a common ancestor, or humans and chimpanzees share an incompetent designer. A lot of Christians prefer to believe the former. False dilemma alert! Could be both.
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Carico
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Message 150 of 244 (271957)
12-23-2005 9:05 AM
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Reply to: Message 145 by Nuggin
12-22-2005 3:55 PM
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Re: Stop running away
I'm trying to understand the theory but the replies to me are always contradictory. If someone could make a statement that they don't take back, then this would all be quite simple. So again, do evolutionists believe that one species can turn into another species without being able to breed with that species? Yes or no. It's a very simple question to which a simple answer will suffice. If the answer is yes,please provide proof that this happens in reality, i.e. cats turning into dogs without breeding with dogs, giraffes turing into monkeys without breeding with monkeys. Anc calling a human an ape will not answer the qestion because we are as incapable of breeding with apes as giraffes are. If not, then how are you not suggesting bestiality between apes and humans? Thank you. This message has been edited by Carico, 12-23-2005 09:06 AM
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