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Nuggin
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Message 46 of 305 (399281)
05-04-2007 7:06 PM
Reply to: Message 40 by petrophysics1
05-04-2007 6:07 PM


Re: On why own guns.
That means in both Colorado and Wyoming my pistol must be in plain sight which it always is. Otherwise I'm breaking the law and can be arrested.
This makes much more sense for the "personal protection" argument than the cities where you must keep it hidden.
Re: Rifle vs Handgun vs Mountain lion
You really don't need either a rifle or a hand gun for a mountain lion. A tazer, an air siren, a cattle prod, all things which could ward off a mountain lion attack.
Hell, there was a story recently where I guy got into a fist fight with one and survived.

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Nuggin
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Message 47 of 305 (399282)
05-04-2007 7:10 PM
Reply to: Message 41 by Jon
05-04-2007 6:13 PM


Re: On why own guns.
Jon, are you retarded, or just refusing to listen.
This ENTIRE post was set up to demonstrate how you have trouble reading what people are posting.
Sounds like someone just relieved the responsibility of the gun and blamed one of the real problems
The fact that he lives in a sparesly populated area factors in his chances of his motorcycle being stolen.
His having or not having a gun has nothing to do with that fact.
I am not "relieving" the "responsibility of the gun" because NO ONE HAS EVER SAID THAT OWNING A GUN CAUSES YOU TO HAVE YOUR MOTORCYCLE STOLEN.
Do I need to cut and paste THAT into one of the "shit Jon doesn't seem to understand" posts?

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Nuggin
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Message 48 of 305 (399283)
05-04-2007 7:12 PM
Reply to: Message 42 by Jon
05-04-2007 6:15 PM


Re: On why own guns.
Of course, I could really just sum up this post in two words:
slippery slope
Finally you are talking sense. Yes, if it is a slippery slope - the more guns you advocate in the hands of more people, the more likely people are to get shot by those guns.
So, you advocating that we attempt to achieve something like "2 guns per person" is not exactly the best plan to reduce gun deaths, is it?

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Nuggin
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Message 49 of 305 (399284)
05-04-2007 7:13 PM
Reply to: Message 43 by petrophysics1
05-04-2007 6:20 PM


Re: On why own guns.
THIS IS AN OFF TOPIC POST >>>>DO NOT REPLY
Beat admin to it.
HAHAHA! Too funny

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Message 50 of 305 (399285)
05-04-2007 7:17 PM
Reply to: Message 47 by Nuggin
05-04-2007 7:10 PM


Re: On why own guns.
Please note that my motorcycle is kept at my house in Colorado which is in Jefferson County. The most populated I believe after Denver County.

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nator
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Message 51 of 305 (399306)
05-04-2007 10:18 PM
Reply to: Message 12 by New Cat's Eye
05-04-2007 12:15 PM


see Larni?
quote:
That's why we need more of the "good guys" carrying guns.
When you pass laws regulating guns, all you do is affect the "good guys", as the "bad guys" aren't obeying the laws anyways.
That's some of the "wild west" mythos I talked about coming out.

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nator
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Message 52 of 305 (399307)
05-04-2007 10:22 PM
Reply to: Message 14 by jar
05-04-2007 12:42 PM


Re: On why own guns.
So, do you also wear a bullet proof vest?
If you really wanted to be protected from injury, wouldn't that work better than a gun?
I mean, if you have a gun, and somebody else has a gun, and both of you shoot, you can both be shot.
Your gun didn't protect you at all in that case.

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clpMINI
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Message 53 of 305 (399308)
05-04-2007 10:24 PM
Reply to: Message 44 by jar
05-04-2007 6:42 PM


Where you can and can't carry, concealed or not...
My dad is all about guns and is probably packing most of the time. What he hates is when he goes to the bank and they don't let him bring a gun inside. He is the most pissed off at Wachovia Bank, and says that they are robbed more frequently than any other bank because no one can carry a gun inside, and all the bank robbers know this.
I don't know if this is true or not, and if Wachovia's are robbed more oftn, I think it may just be that there are about a million more of them than any other brand of bank around (at least here in VA).

I mean, this is America. Everybody loves seeing lesbians go at it, as long as they are both hot and not in a monogamous, legally sanctioned relationship.

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nator
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Message 54 of 305 (399309)
05-04-2007 10:29 PM
Reply to: Message 19 by jar
05-04-2007 2:56 PM


Re: On 'accidental discharge'
quote:
ALWAYS keep the gun pointed in a safe direction.
ALWAYS keep your finger off the trigger until ready to shoot.
Never use alcohol or over-the-counter, prescription or other drugs before or while shooting.
ALWAYS keep the gun unloaded until ready to use.
Know your target and what is beyond.
Know how to use the gun safely.
Be sure the gun is safe to operate.
Use only the correct ammunition for your gun.
Store guns so they are not accessible to unauthorized persons.
Would you support legal reprocussions for gun owners who do not follow these rules?
Those rules are all well and good, but we KNOW that thousands of times a year, gun owners don't follow these rules.

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jar
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Message 55 of 305 (399310)
05-04-2007 10:33 PM
Reply to: Message 53 by clpMINI
05-04-2007 10:24 PM


Re: Where you can and can't carry, concealed or not...
I don't know about the current laws in Virginia so I can't really address it, but a bank or just about any other facility is likely somewhat safer when I am in it then when I am not in it.
My being there and armed certainly does not increase the risks, I am not about to rob a bank. I also would be hesitant to try to stop a bank robbery. Money is just a place marker.
I believe that places are free to make such decisions just as I am free not to patronize an establishment that prohibited carry.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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nator
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Message 56 of 305 (399312)
05-04-2007 10:39 PM
Reply to: Message 23 by petrophysics1
05-04-2007 4:07 PM


Re: On why own guns.
quote:
I actually found a better source so that should be 36 school shootings since Columbine
I think you are too quick to discount the influence on our collective consciousness that the sharp rise in the reporting of violent crime has.
People can be made to be afraid very easily these days. Remember a few years back when people were afraid to go into the water on the beaches because the media widely reported a couple of shark attacks?
There were more ACTUAL shark attacks the previous year, but they weren't reported, so there was no fear among the public.
Fear makes people change their behavior, and changes how they think about the world.

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nator
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Message 57 of 305 (399313)
05-04-2007 10:50 PM
Reply to: Message 41 by Jon
05-04-2007 6:13 PM


Re: On why own guns.
Jon, are you planning on correcting your strawmen that both I and Nuggin have listed?
That's what this thread is about.

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nator
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Message 58 of 305 (399315)
05-04-2007 10:54 PM
Reply to: Message 44 by jar
05-04-2007 6:42 PM


Re: On concealed carry.
quote:
Because the law requires us to hide our guns away, the general publics view of gun owners is based on the image Hollywood and the news create. Unfortunately those images are far too often negative.
My image of gun owners as a group is based upon public health statistics and the positions of their largest lobbyist, the NRA.

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nator
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Message 59 of 305 (399325)
05-05-2007 12:29 AM
Reply to: Message 50 by petrophysics1
05-04-2007 7:17 PM


Re: On why own guns.
quote:
Please note that my motorcycle is kept at my house in Colorado which is in Jefferson County.
Wait, isn't Jefferson county where Columbine High School is?

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kuresu
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Message 60 of 305 (399330)
05-05-2007 1:09 AM
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05-05-2007 12:29 AM


Re: On why own guns.
Columbine High is in Littleton. Littleton is in JeffCo.
wiki says it's the fourth most populous:
Jefferson County, Colorado - Wikipedia
JeffCo claims second most populous:
Jefferson County, CO | Official Website
the demographics from 2000 census are interesting (wiki has it)

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