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Adminnemooseus Administrator Posts: 3974 Joined: |
I didn't want to do off-topic stuff at the Tired Light topic, so, for lack of a better place, I'll respond in this topic.
peaceharris, in above cited topic, writes: Director,Are you the person who created this website? My hearty congratulations. There is someone else who posts using the name Percy. Are you both the same person? What must someone do to get promoted from junior member to normal member? What must a normal member do to get promoted to an administrator? Percy and Admin is the same person. All admins at have both non-admin ID's and admin ID's. With the exception of Percy/Admin, the admin names incorporate some variation of the non-admin name (ie. I'm both minnemooseus and Adminnemmoseus). All the admin names start with "Admin". Percy is the founder of this site, the webmaster who wrote most of the sites code, and the one who pays the bills for the site. Junior member is an arbitrary designation for newer members. Once you get to a certain number of posts (offhand, something like 25) you will automaticly become a regular member. We could probably well do away with the "junior member" designation, as it really has no meaning. Admins are chosen from the membership. The forum tradition is that I have been the one to do most of the recruitments, although I certainly do consult with the other admins. As time and postings pass, maybe you will show the desired qualities to become an admin. The truth is, in my recruitment effort history, probably more members have declined than have accepted. I do all the recruitment efforts by e-mail - I feel such is not for the viewing of the general membership, until the new admin is hooked and an announcement is made. For the record, the admin hierarchy (from top to bottom) is webmaster, director, administrator, and moderator. Administrators and moderators have the same powers, except moderators are limited to certain forums while adminstrators have forum wide powers. Essentially, every admin has at least administrator status. Admin/Percy and I are the only directors. The difference is, that directors have a little more access to potentially destructive site controls. I very rarely do anything that is beyond the powers of an administrator. BTW, welcome to . Adminnemooseus
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Dan Carroll Inactive Member |
Organized Religion & personal Spirituality, post 120
With all due respect, Moose, I think I've displayed quite a bit of patience in this exchange. Didn't rise to being called names. Didn't lash out at constant dodges. Just attempted to get Contracycle to back up his accusations. Accusations which, I might add, he continues to repeat. So might I ask, for the benefit of future threads, why I'm being threatened with suspension? Should I have just gone ahead, tossed out a smarmy insult, and left it at that? This message has been edited by [Dan's Clever Alias], 04-14-2005 10:01 AM "You can't expect him to be answering your prayers when he's not real, can you? That's like writing to the characters of a soap opera and expecting a reply, Mr. Silly Sausage!" -Jane Christie
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StormWolfx2x Inactive Member |
I have to back dan up on this, initaly the problem stemed from Ianart making some arguements that were full of logical fallacies and very pro Islamic, what ensued was that a lot of people that were on some level offened by his claims quickly and openly refuted him pointing out what was wrong with his proposals refuting both his proposals and their pro Islamic veiws. Contra saw this as us ganging up on him and those Islamic veiws and belived us to be Muslim bashing in general, when in fact we were theorachy bashing trying to use examples against a Islamic Theocracy which doesn't come up much around. The back and forth between contra and dan followed.
but Dan did not use personal attacks at all, only respones to another person's personal attacks.
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Adminnemooseus Administrator Posts: 3974 Joined: |
Look, I'm going to tend to not want to blow a lot of time and effort in micro-analyzing things. Especially in fast happening topics.
Sometimes, make that often, I'm going on spot impressions. The impression of the moment was that Dan and Contra were behaving stupidly. Likewise for Crashfrog and Arachnophilia, earlier on. I also believe that stardard moderator messages tend to be ineffective. They tend to get ignored and/or lost in the pile. Throwing in the word "suspension" is effective at getting attention. Actually doing a suspension is really effective. Staying on topic with real debate, along with being nice to each other, results in me paying no official attention to you. Or something like that. Adminnemooseus This message has been edited by Adminnemooseus, 04-14-2005 05:07 PM
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1364 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
Likewise for Crashfrog and Arachnophilia, earlier on. i was only behaving stupidly in regards to potm nomination. but then again, i really did think it was funny. i'm willing to debate in good faith on just about anything. and when i realize i'm wrong, i admit it. i was just getting really frustrated because other people on this board aren't always willing to do that.
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Chiroptera Inactive Member |
A response to this message:
Shouldn't you (as a long time member) know better, than to post replies like this? Did that recent suspension make no impression on you? Any responses to this message should go to the "General..." topic, link below. Adminnemooseus As a long time member, I see nothing in that particular post that was beyond the sorts of things that do get posted here on a regular basis. I am especially surprised, since there are messages that I have posted recently that are more worthy of a warning. Perhaps that is what you had in mind, but it is confusing when you choose a fairly innocuous message to attach the warning. I would just consider this another incomprehensable moderating event, except for the implied threat. The threat is especially disturbing since this is only the third warning I have ever recieved -- wouldn't it be more productive simply to point out when you decide that a particular message is against guidelines? It is not obvious why the post you have singled out is so bad -- certainly not, in my opinion, bad enough to be worth a threat. Finally, who's recent suspension are you talking about? All the recent suspensions of which I am aware were from threads that I wasn't reading, and so you need to be a little more explicit as to the relevance of those suspensions to my situation here.
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Adminnemooseus Administrator Posts: 3974 Joined: |
Finally, who's recent suspension are you talking about? All the recent suspensions of which I am aware were from threads that I wasn't reading, and so you need to be a little more explicit as to the relevance of those suspensions to my situation here. Sorry about that. I was confusing an Arachnophilia incident with you. That aside, I also recall previously reprimanding you. This recollection may be a figment of my poor memory. Regardless, you should know better than to be getting into childish exchanges with a newbee. Adminnemooseus {Added by edit: OK - The reason the Chiroptera name was etched in my dubious quality memory was from the "Bug Reporting Thread" (see this message). Still, I will repeat "Regardless, you should know better than to be getting into childish exchanges with a newbee".} This message has been edited by Adminnemooseus, 04-23-2005 01:53 PM
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1487 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
EvC Forum: Validity of differing eyewitness accounts in religious texts
Sheesh Frog, how about slowing down!!! You're doing more than your share in flooding topics. Remember the "piling on" problem? The quality vs. quantity problem? Did somebody wake up with an itchy trigger finger this morning? Just couldn't wait to get up and do some authoritarian moderating? Remember the "half-assed moderation" problem? You know, where you moderate in threads you haven't been paying attention to, and don't bother to investigate the context or history of the situation in which you're so ham-fistedly inserting yourself? I've only posted in 5 different threads in the past 2 days. I hardly think that's "flooding topics", your personal and long-standing vendetta against me notwithstanding. Then again, according to our resident cranky moose, pretty much any board activity at all is way too much. I realize that I tend to pull a little broader latitude around here from most of the moderators. This is something that I've never asked for nor do I welcome. But I would much prefer to be dealt with fairly by all moderators, rather than have Moose take it upon himself to single-handedly right the balance by dogging my ass.
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Adminnemooseus Administrator Posts: 3974 Joined: |
I refer all to the "Proposal for Moose vs. Frog Great Debate" topic, where I made (in the non-admin mode) my major statement at message 23.
I think the essence of the matter was covered in messages 23 through 29. Adminnemooseus ps: Jar seems to be our most prolific poster, with 5540 messages in 373 days. I think, however, a fair number of these are of "moderator" nature. Crashfrog has 8278 messages in 769 days. Averaging over 10 messages per day for 2+ years
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1487 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
Crashfrog has 8278 messages in 769 days. Averaging over 10 messages per day for 2+ years Gosh, I guess I missed the rule in the forum guidelines that says we're only allowed a certain number of messages per day. Could you point that out for me, please? What's the magic number? Clearly 10 is too many; how many is ok? 5? 3? 1? Oh, right. It's Moose. He'd prefer if no one ever posted, ever. It keeps down the "clutter", where "clutter" = "people talking."
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Adminnemooseus Administrator Posts: 3974 Joined: |
See here, here, and also the surrounding messages.
Also look at Crashfrog's recent messages, and while you're at it, General Krall's. Do a "Search by User Name" search here. Look at the message Crashfrog cites in message 83 (above) and the messages above and below that message. While I concede I may be overreacting a bit, I still do think they are posting a lot of "heat not light" messages. And "heat" messages tend to just lead to more "heat" messages. Maybe look at some "mick" messages (search as suggested above), and/or go to the April, 2005, Posts of the Month topic for examples of "light not heat". Adminnemooseus
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1487 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
Also look at Crashfrog's recent messages Yes, lets do that.
quote:Source Oh, shit! Absolutely no arguments or supported assertions there, right? Why, that whole message is nothing but an ad hominem, off-the-hinges screed against my opponents that contributed nothing to the discussion, right? Or this one:
quote:Source Boy, now there's a completely useless post, isn't it? I guess everybody already knew that the taste buds detected five, not four, different tastes? Nope, not a thing to be learned from my stupid ass. Or this one:
quote:Source God, how can you people stand it when I ask such obvious and trivial questions? The existence of God? No real significance there, right?
quote:Source Merciful Christ is there no end to my relentless, empty, value-less contrarianism? Is there any assertion I won't simply toss off with no supporting background or elucidation whatsoever? Apparently not. After all, every single one of my messages are "heat, not light." Not once in over eight thousand posts have I meaningfully contributed to debate. Or isn't that what the Moose would have us believe? The funny thing is, I'm not sure I can think of a single post in weeks where Moose's participation in a debate has been in his capacity as a participant and scientist and not as a moderator.
and while you're at it, General Krall's. Oh, right. It's not so much that I'm a bad guy; it's that I'm to be punished for the habits of others. Gotcha. {Added "Source" links - AM} This message has been edited by Adminnemooseus, 04-28-2005 07:17 PM
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CK Member (Idle past 4148 days) Posts: 3221 Joined: |
deleted - what's the point.
This message has been edited by General Krull, 28-Apr-2005 06:58 PM
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Adminnemooseus Administrator Posts: 3974 Joined: |
I never said anything of the sort, that you didn't also post good messages. The four you cite are fine, although the first one is in a "Coffee House" topic about a TV show (whoopie!).
I note you didn't cite any from the topic that generated my original comment, the topic you cited in message 83. Are you equally proud of those?
The funny thing is, I'm not sure I can think of a single post in weeks where Moose's participation in a debate has been in his capacity as a participant and scientist and not as a moderator. Minnemooseus has pretty much had nothing to say. Should I have posted messages anyway? Has there not been enough posted by others? As per General Krall - I see no need to give out individual personalized messages. He was a side comment in a message to you. Sorry, if doing such hurt either of your feelings. Adminnemooseus
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AdminJar Inactive Member |
And I mean all of you. Grow up.
New Members should start HERE to get an understanding of what makes great posts.
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