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Archer Opteryx Member (Idle past 3618 days) Posts: 1811 From: East Asia Joined: |
quote: Icant: I may be ignorant but I am not stupid. Then you really believe hot water is hot. It's your authentic response to experience. You cannot will this belief to be otherwise. Good. This is progress. That's the difference between belief and 'belief.' _ Edited by Archer Opterix, : conclusion. Archer All species are transitional.
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.6 |
And, because the number of branches of theism can number in the millions, or even be theoretically infinite, there is a very slight, or zero, chance of picking the right one just on faith. So, if you look at it like that, an atheist isn't really that much worse off, if at all, when it comes to chances at eternal life. Doddy, you are absolutly correct except for the number of groups.Last time I checked there were 34,000 different groups in the world, 1200 in the US alone. You are also right that everybody cannot be correct. That is why I have spent most of my life searching for the truth.Just as many here that I have come in contact with are searching for a different kind of truth than I am.
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.6 |
Then you really believe hot water is hot. It's your authentic response to experience. You cannot will this belief to be otherwise. Just as I cannot will my belief in God to be otherwise because of my experience with Him. Then on the other hand I am beginning to see that many atheist are just as committed to their unbelief. BTW I hold a High pressure steam Engineer's License, I know what hot is.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1487 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
I find Sam Harris's words appropriate here:
quote: Andrew Sullivan and Sam Harris blog on the Bible, Islam, Jesus, Religion, Faith, and Death - Beliefnet An exchange I think we'll be quoting extensively around here.
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Nuggin Member (Idle past 2513 days) Posts: 2965 From: Los Angeles, CA USA Joined: |
Then on the other hand I am beginning to see that many atheist are just as committed to their unbelief. We do not have "unbelief". We have very strong belief that you people are severally deluded. You, on the other hand, have an unbelief that you are deluded. One of the prerequisits for delusion
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.6 |
Yeah, but you're not right. That's the problem. Are you absolutely positive that there is no God? You are gambling your eternal spirit on this belief.
If this time is all we have, But it is not you are going to live forever somewhere.
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.6 |
We do not have "unbelief". Then you believe in God???????????
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1487 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
Are you absolutely positive that there is no God? No, but I'm reasonably confident.
You are gambling your eternal spirit on this belief. That seems like a poor reason to believe. Do you think that God is interested in populating Heaven with people who saw belief as a matter of "hedging their bets"; people who thought they could game the system by professing belief just to avoid the hot place? That's quite a scam you people are running.
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.6 |
what place? hell? hell is a non-biblical myth, go read the text it says we will burn up at the end, ie: no longer exist Don't you wish.
New World translation of the Holy Scriptures: writes: Rev. 20:10 And the Devil who was misleading them was hurled into the lake of fire and sulphur, where both the wild beast and the false prophet (already were), and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.Rev. 20:15 Furthermore whoever was not found written in the book of life was hurled into the lake of fire. I don't see where it says they will be burned up at the end.
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ringo Member (Idle past 432 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
ICANT writes: I don't see where it says they will be burned up at the end. We had a thread on that subject here, in case you're interested. Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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Doddy Member (Idle past 5930 days) Posts: 563 From: Brisbane, Australia Joined: |
ICANT writes:
But how do you know that only current groups have the truth? What about past and future groups? Doddy, you are absolutly correct except for the number of groups. Last time I checked there were 34,000 different groups in the world... Contributors needed in the following fields: Physical Anthropology, Invertebrate Biology (esp. Lepidopterology), Biochemistry, Population Genetics, Scientific Illustration, Scientific History, Philosophy of Science, Logic and others. Researchers also wanted to source creationist literature references. Register here!
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Archer Opteryx Member (Idle past 3618 days) Posts: 1811 From: East Asia Joined: |
Icant: Just as I cannot will my belief in God to be otherwise because of my experience with Him. Bingo. You really are making progress! In your OP and every post up until now you have spoken of 'choosing' your belief. You have assumed that others 'choose' theirs. Now you admit that what I have been telling you all along is true. Now you admit that no choice is involved, that you 'cannot will your belief' to be one thing or another. Now you admit that genuine belief is exactly what I said it is: an involuntary and spontaneous response to experience. Thank you for this admission. Your retreat from your earlier position is duly noted and interpreted as a retraction. If you now understand that you cannot 'choose' belief, you now understand that no one else can do so either. You now see the folly of talking about other people 'choosing' this or that belief that they hold, and of asking them why you should 'choose' one belief or another based on personal advantage. Do you understand this now? Please confirm. _____ Edited by Archer Opterix, : html. Edited by Archer Opterix, : typo repair. Archer All species are transitional.
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Woodsy Member (Idle past 3394 days) Posts: 301 From: Burlington, Canada Joined: |
Why would a person who feels so empowered choose a handle like I Can't? I don't remember him(?) using an apostrophe. I found this definition of "cant" in one of the online dictionaries. Others had similar explanations. "To make whining pretensions to goodness; to talk with an affectation of religion, philanthropy, etc.; to practice hypocrisy; as, a canting fanatic."
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Larni Member (Idle past 184 days) Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: |
ICANT writes: because of my experience with Him. Incorrect: This is you attributing an experience you have had to your god. This attributional style us humans have is inherently flawed as is the source of the inaccuracy of your above conclusion.
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nator Member (Idle past 2190 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Honestly, ICANT, I have not seen you do anything of the kind here. Rather, I have seen you repeatedly and strenuously protect your beliefs from any examination whatsoever, even resorting to embracing and glorifying willful ignorance if that's what it takes to keep them intact and pristine.
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