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RAZD
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Message 1 of 12 (772544)
11-15-2015 3:57 PM


Just a moment...
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Rising morbidity and mortality in midlife among white non-Hispanic Americans in the 21st century
This paper documents a marked increase in the all-cause mortality of middle-aged white non-Hispanic men and women in the United States between 1999 and 2013. This change reversed decades of progress in mortality and was unique to the United States; no other rich country saw a similar turnaround. The midlife mortality reversal was confined to white non-Hispanics; black non-Hispanics and Hispanics at midlife, and those aged 65 and above in every racial and ethnic group, continued to see mortality rates fall. This increase for whites was largely accounted for by increasing death rates from drug and alcohol poisonings, suicide, and chronic liver diseases and cirrhosis. Although all education groups saw increases in mortality from suicide and poisonings, and an overall increase in external cause mortality, those with less education saw the most marked increases. Rising midlife mortality rates of white non-Hispanics were paralleled by increases in midlife morbidity. Self-reported declines in health, mental health, and ability to conduct activities of daily living, and increases in chronic pain and inability to work, as well as clinically measured deteriorations in liver function, all point to growing distress in this population. We comment on potential economic causes and consequences of this deterioration.
Although the epidemic of pain, suicide, and drug overdoses preceded the financial crisis, ties to economic insecurity are possible. After the productivity slowdown in the early 1970s, and with widening income inequality, many of the baby-boom generation are the first to find, in midlife, that they will not be better off than were their parents. Growth in real median earnings has been slow for this group, especially those with only a high school education. However, the productivity slowdown is common to many rich countries, some of which have seen even slower growth in median earnings than the United States, yet none have had the same mortality experience (lanekenworthy.net/shared-prosperity and ref. 30). The United States has moved primarily to defined-contribution pension plans with associated stock market risk, whereas, in Europe, defined-benefit pensions are still the norm. Future financial insecurity may weigh more heavily on US workers, if they perceive stock market risk harder to manage than earnings risk, or if they have contributed inadequately to defined-contribution plans (31).
A serious concern is that those currently in midlife will age into Medicare in worse health than the currently elderly. This is not automatic; if the epidemic is brought under control, its survivors may have a healthy old age. However, addictions are hard to treat and pain is hard to control, so those currently in midlife may be a lost generation (36) whose future is less bright than those who preceded them.
Loss of upward mobility, loss of life savings and retirement plan value, loss of property in foreclosures, and general inability to manage to get ahead in today's economy at a time in life when you normally evaluate how well off you are, and whether you can prepare to retire in comfort ... and a significant proportion of the population coming to the conclusion that the answer is "No" ...
Income inequality built on the disastrous republican "trickle-down" economic scam\fraud\fallacy ... people deciding (this is pre ACA) that they can't afford health insurance ... people being overworked and underpaid and work being high stress environments.
This is only recorded in the US, and the US has the highest income inequality ... coincidence?
That's my take.

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Message 2 of 12 (772545)
11-15-2015 4:06 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by RAZD
11-15-2015 3:57 PM


Perhaps its because we're being told so often, and in so many ways, that "white lives don't matter."

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein
How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein
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If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle
If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1
"Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.

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Omnivorous
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Message 3 of 12 (772546)
11-15-2015 4:31 PM
Reply to: Message 2 by Coyote
11-15-2015 4:06 PM


Coyote writes:
Perhaps its because we're being told so often, and in so many ways, that "white lives don't matter."
I guess I didn't get the memo.
Could you list just the top three of the many ways we're told white lives don't matter?

"If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."
Homo sum, humani nihil a me alienum puto.
-Terence

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Message 4 of 12 (772547)
11-15-2015 4:51 PM
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11-15-2015 4:31 PM


Wear a "White lives matter" t-shirt or placard on most any college campus and you'd be lucky to get out alive.
In most inner cities you wouldn't get out alive, and in many of those, just being white would get you killed.

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein
How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein
It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers
If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle
If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1
"Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.

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RAZD
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Message 5 of 12 (772548)
11-15-2015 4:57 PM
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11-15-2015 4:31 PM


Could you list just the top three of the many ways we're told white lives don't matter?
Curiously I remember that we were always told that you'd never get anywhere without a college degree, and what we see from this study is that those with BA or higher did not see an increase in deaths and poor health, that it is the blue-collar workers. People ripe for TeaPublican propaganda and that want their country back -- they see that the "American Dream" has passed them by.
Those that voted republican against their own better interests because GOP scam after scam after scam.
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RAZD
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Message 6 of 12 (772549)
11-15-2015 5:02 PM
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11-15-2015 4:51 PM


This thread is not about racism, latent racism or reverse racism, it is about middle-class whites reaching middle-age and seeing that over the last 30 years they never got ahead in spite of their hard work, because the economy kept siphoning it all to the top 1%. Their dreams died, their hope died.
It isn't {color} lives matter, it is people working 2 or 3 jobs at poverty wages and lower just to tread water, and not getting any respect.
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RAZD
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Message 7 of 12 (772550)
11-15-2015 5:05 PM
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11-15-2015 4:06 PM


Perhaps its because we're being told so often, and in so many ways, that "white lives don't matter."
Curiously this phenomenon has occurred after the end of the data in this study.
If this is making you feel suicidal, IM me to talk or contact any of the help sources readily available.
Enjoy

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Coyote
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Message 8 of 12 (772552)
11-15-2015 5:15 PM
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11-15-2015 5:05 PM


If this is making you feel suicidal, IM me to talk or contact any of the help sources readily available.
Nice try. But very lame.

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein
How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein
It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers
If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle
If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1
"Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.

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Omnivorous
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Message 9 of 12 (772553)
11-15-2015 6:16 PM
Reply to: Message 4 by Coyote
11-15-2015 4:51 PM


Omnivorous writes:
Coyote writes:
Perhaps its because we're being told so often, and in so many ways, that "white lives don't matter."
I guess I didn't get the memo.
Could you list just the top three of the many ways we're told white lives don't matter?
Coyote writes:
Wear a "White lives matter" t-shirt or placard on most any college campus and you'd be lucky to get out alive.
In most inner cities you wouldn't get out alive, and in many of those, just being white would get you killed.
Seriously? That's all you've got? What happened to "so often, and in so many ways"?
I know you won't debate these issues in depth, preferring to sling drive-by xenophobic turds and move on.
But the Black Lives Matter movement presses the point that black lives matter, period; why is that so offensive to you? White America would not accept an equivalent casualty rate of unarmed white youth at the hands of the police.
Why is this such an existential threat to you that it would require an old man parading on campus in a T shirt saying anything? If you don't think black students at college experience sufficient racial taunting already, you should diversify your news sources, turn off the rightwing echo chamber and get out more.
The data clearly link the higher death rate to economic downturns which are especially sharp among less educated white people. Why did you see the need to bring other races into the equation at all? Do you think they are faring better? Are you checking for blacks under your bed yet?

"If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."
Homo sum, humani nihil a me alienum puto.
-Terence

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Coyote
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Message 10 of 12 (772554)
11-15-2015 6:24 PM
Reply to: Message 9 by Omnivorous
11-15-2015 6:16 PM


There is nothing in your post worthy of a reply.
Care to try again?

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Omnivorous
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Message 11 of 12 (772556)
11-15-2015 8:28 PM
Reply to: Message 10 by Coyote
11-15-2015 6:24 PM


Coyote writes:
There is nothing in your post worthy of a reply.
Care to try again?
I'm often wrong when I speak. Sometimes I make assertions that don't bear scrutiny; sometimes I let my emotions overstate my case. But I'm always willing to subject my reasoning to public display and dispute. You are not.
So, no, I don't care to try again. I'll admit that you can't be prodded into attempting a defense of the indefensible. I hope you come to see better.

"If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."
Homo sum, humani nihil a me alienum puto.
-Terence

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Dr Adequate
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Message 12 of 12 (772559)
11-15-2015 11:22 PM


No, I think Coyote's put his finger on it. White people are so despondent at the very suggestion that it might be undesirable to murder black people that they're offing themselves in droves. They really had nothing else keeping them going except the thought that if they could only manage to shoot One Of Them Black Nigras, they'd be instant celebrities lauded by Fox News as heroes ... wait, that's still what would happen, isn't it? But white people are such sensitive souls that a few black people with placards drove them to alcoholism and suicide ... but only if they're middle-aged. Of course RAZD with his so-called liberal "logic" will point out that causes usually precede effects, but conservative whining has transcended even more definite facts than the directionality of time, so I don't see why we should start taking that into account now.

  
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