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Diomedes Member Posts: 995 From: Central Florida, USA Joined:
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All religions (including atheism) branch out from these 2 camps Atheism is not a religion. It is a specific response to a claim: is there a god. The corollary to atheism is theism. And theism, in and of itself, is not a religion. It is also a response to the same claim.
Ironically, there is no evidence showing that life discontinues You have it backwards. There is tons of evidence that shows life discontinues. i.e., people, animals, plants die. There is, however, no evidence of anything persisting post-death.
Camp 1) however, as influenced (subconsciously) by the "life discontinues" faith fallaciously conclude that they should stay until more evidence showing that it's not a hoax. Once again, you are attempting to shift the burden of proof. There is no 'life discontinues faith'. Atheists do not absolutely make any statements about life after death. Without any evidence to the contrary, they just conclude that there is likely nothing after death. All evidence points to this natural life being the only one that exists.
Atheism is such a religion with a large group of humans sharing a common belief. Once again, atheism is not a religion. I can actually easily prove that: Buddhists have no concept of a personal god in their belief system. Yet they do believe in the concept of reincarnation. So they are technically 'atheists'. Yet they are atheists that have a belief in life after death. To reiterate, atheism is not a belief system. It is merely a response to a claim. In the same way that theism alone is also not a belief system. It is also a response to a claim. What you are attempting to do is apply the same 'faith based' conditions that exist in religious circles into the atheist view. Which does not make sense as alluded to in the previous explanations.
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Phat Member Posts: 18338 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Tangle writes: I respect that! I don't believe there is a god. I don't know whether there is or not but I see no evidence for one. So I've concluded there isn't one pending contradictory information. I can't know, but I can believe or not believe. I think it would be helpful, however, for us all to come to some sort of consensus on the definition of the thing we do or do not believe in.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
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Tangle Member Posts: 9509 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8
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Phat writes: I think it would be helpful, however, for us all to come to some sort of consensus on the definition of the thing we do or do not believe in. God(s).Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Phat Member Posts: 18338 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
quote: Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
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jar Member (Idle past 420 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Fortunately none of those definitions tell us anything about what god is or if there is a god; but it does emphasize that all the definitions are simply human constructs.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Phat Member Posts: 18338 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
I always like your definition...The Creator Of All Seen And Unseen. That sums up my belief, also.
Where we usually disagreed is that I believed that God had a soft spot for humans over pond scum and other less complex living organisms...whereas you never limited your belief in GOD to be exclusively for mankind. Edited by Phat, : addedChance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
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Phat Member Posts: 18338 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
To reiterate, atheism is not a belief system. It is merely a response to a claim. In the same way that theism alone is also not a belief system. It is also a response to a claim. Believers would assert that without faith it is impossible to please God.Atheists may well assert that without evidence it is impossible to prove God. perhaps some key questions to ask:
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
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Phat Member Posts: 18338 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
According to the all-powerful Yahoo! Answers:
quote:"I can't believe you said that!" is disbelief. In this particular example, you know it's true but you still "can't believe". Not believing in Odin is nonbelief. You can believe in Ganesh and non-believe in Odin at the same time. What you're describing is more like unbelief: Unbelievers believe that God un-exists. I personally don't believe that any gods exist but I don't self-identify as an atheist. I self-identify as an agnostic. I have no active unbelief. Do you personally feel as if evidence would persuade you or others or are you more of the camp that prefers not to believe for reasons other than evidence?(Personal preference, perhaps) There are some who would prefer that there be no God. There are others who wish fervently that it were so. Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
There are some who would prefer that there be no God. There are others who wish fervently that it were so.
Who? Give examples.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
Once again, atheism is not a religion. I can actually easily prove that: Buddhists have no concept of a personal god in their belief system. Yet they do believe in the concept of reincarnation. So they are technically 'atheists'. Yet they are atheists that have a belief in life after death. To reiterate, atheism is not a belief system. It is merely a response to a claim. What do you call a belief system that claims that no gods exist?
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 311 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
What do you call a belief system that claims that no gods exist? ... Buddhism?
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
There is no camp that prefers not to believe. Do you personally feel as if evidence would persuade you or others or are you more of the camp that prefers not to believe for reasons other than evidence? As I have said before, I personally would like to believe but I can't. It would especially be a comfort to believe that some of the people who have died before me I'll see again. I wish I could believe that but I can't.
Phat writes:
I would prefer that no God or other alien warlord incinerate me. I have enough earthly enemies such as bacteria, etc.
There are some who would prefer that there be no God.
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
What do you call a belief system that claims that no gods exist? ... Buddhism? Nope, sure doesn't. Plus, there's a lot more to Buddhism. If a belief system just included the claim that no gods exist, then what would you call it? Wiki says:
quote: In the strictest sense, atheism is the position that there are no gods. It is not just simply "a response to a claim". Edited by Cat Sci, : No reason given.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9509 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8
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Cat Sci writes: In the strictest sense, atheism is the position that there are no gods. It is not just simply "a response to a claim". It's a response to the claim that gods exist. It's a good description because if it wasn't for people saying that god's DO exist, it wouldn't occur to an atheist that they did.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
if it wasn't for people saying that god's DO exist, it wouldn't occur to an atheist that they did. A person could come to the question of gods existing on their own, and then later reject the idea and go on to proclaim that they don't. And if an atheist could never consider a god without another person claiming it, then the first theists could have never come about. So this idea that it is merely and only a response to a claim cannot possibly be true.
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