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Author Topic:   Israel/Lebanon/Gaza conflict (continuation thread)
Buzsaw
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Message 61 of 300 (334373)
07-22-2006 7:04 PM
Reply to: Message 59 by jar
07-22-2006 6:49 PM


Re: buzsaw's latest view on the conflict
jar writes:
The smaller rockets can be carried in a car. They are not launched from a car. They can be carried and launched from a flatbed truck. But guess what Buz, the truck then drives away. By the time that Israel returns fire there is nobody there but Civilians.
1. Jar, where have I stated that these rockets can be carried in a car? What is your point in this?
2. So you're admitting that Hezbollah terrorists launch from among civilian targets so as for the returning fire to hit the civilians. I'm glad you're beginning to get that straight, that terrorists have no regard for the lives of civilians, so long as their interests in advancing their own power is advanced.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28

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jar
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Message 62 of 300 (334382)
07-22-2006 7:40 PM
Reply to: Message 60 by Buzsaw
07-22-2006 6:54 PM


Re: on return fire.
jar writes:
Buz, you just keep making things worse for the Israelis. Directing responding fire at the location where rockets were, but are no longer, is simply terrorism. There is no other way to describe it.
to which buz strangely replies:
quote:
So you're denying that the rocket launchers flee the rocket launch site after launch as is being reported on Fox News by military experts? If so can you provide doumented support for your position?
Buz, what in the hell does your reply have to do with what I said?

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
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Message 63 of 300 (334387)
07-22-2006 7:49 PM
Reply to: Message 61 by Buzsaw
07-22-2006 7:04 PM


Re: buzsaw's latest view on the conflict
2. So you're admitting that Hezbollah terrorists launch from among civilian targets so as for the returning fire to hit the civilians. I'm glad you're beginning to get that straight, that terrorists have no regard for the lives of civilians, so long as their interests in advancing their own power is advanced.
No, I admit no such thing. They launch the rockets from where they live, the areas in southern Lebanon. It is Israel who then returns fire to a location which has already been abandoned by those who fired the rockets. And they launch rockets to hit their targets, it is the Israelis who are then dumb enough to fire their rockets where the terrorists ain't.
Buz, sorry but your description of Israeli behavior makes them look not just like terrorist, but like very stupid terrorists.
Let me ask you a very simple question.
How successful will a duck hunter be who shoots where the duck was a few minutes ago instead of where the duck will be?

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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inkorrekt
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Message 64 of 300 (334589)
07-23-2006 6:40 PM
Reply to: Message 56 by DrJones*
07-22-2006 6:39 PM


Re: Not cowards so much as sociopaths & criminals
Did you know that for giving away the piece of land for PEACe, Israeli Prime Minister was murdered? Did you know that Ariel Sharon devised a plan hoping that that would stop violence against Israel? Bill clinton and MAdeline Albright supported this. Did this work? No,this was a collossal failure. It would have been better if Albright( She is known as Half bright) had been Fulbright. Your enemy will not stop at anything less than your destruction. For him, PEACE is total annihilation of Israel. Which Government would do this for you? None whatever. Israeli people had been divided so much.However, during this war, the Nation has come together.This is so beautiful.Israel has been a victim of suicide bombings and incessant killings of the innocent for decades of barbarism. Israel wants total disarmament and disbanding of Hezbollah. Yes, this is the right way to go.

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DrJones*
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Message 65 of 300 (334598)
07-23-2006 7:01 PM
Reply to: Message 64 by inkorrekt
07-23-2006 6:40 PM


Re: Not cowards so much as sociopaths & criminals
Did you know that for giving away the piece of land for PEACe, Israeli Prime Minister was murdered?
Yes and the assassin was a fellow israeli jew. What's your point?
blah blah blah
You're misrepresenting me, nowhere did I say that Israel should roll over. My position is that their current course of action is unnecessarily heavy handed and instead of being aimed towards securing thier safety seems to be a blatant display of cock waving.
Edited by DrJones*, : No reason given.

Just a monkey in a long line of kings.
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist!
*not an actual doctor

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MangyTiger
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Message 66 of 300 (334625)
07-23-2006 8:01 PM
Reply to: Message 51 by Buzsaw
07-22-2006 5:36 PM


How many times do I need to post this evidence
But it isn't evidence buz!
Your quoted article simply says that Hebollah had, during the period of the conflict, fired rockets from the general area in which the convoy was hit.
It does not say there was a launch from the specific spot where the convoy was attacked, not does it say there was a launch at the time of the attack on the convoy.
The reason it doesn't say this is because it didn't happen. Even the Israeli military have not said it happened.

Oops! Wrong Planet

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Buzsaw
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Message 67 of 300 (334668)
07-23-2006 10:30 PM
Reply to: Message 40 by Brian
07-22-2006 9:07 AM


Re: What you think?
Hi Brian. I would want to see the Amnesty Int. evidence for this before making a judgement.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28

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Buzsaw
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Message 68 of 300 (334671)
07-23-2006 10:36 PM
Reply to: Message 63 by jar
07-22-2006 7:49 PM


Re: buzsaw's latest view on the conflict
jar writes:
How successful will a duck hunter be who shoots where the duck was a few minutes ago instead of where the duck will be?
I said way back that the Israelis did not know whether the enemy launch site was stationary or a movable vehicle et al. Some they can take out and others get away.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28

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jar
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From: Texas!!
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Message 69 of 300 (334675)
07-23-2006 10:58 PM
Reply to: Message 68 by Buzsaw
07-23-2006 10:36 PM


Re: buzsaw's latest view on the conflict
I said way back that the Israelis did not know whether the enemy launch site was stationary or a movable vehicle et al. Some they can take out and others get away.
So they pull a Dick Cheney and shoot before they know what they are shooting at.
Buz, if I were your I'd quit while I was behind.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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PaulK
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Message 70 of 300 (334758)
07-24-2006 7:02 AM


"Any moving car becomes a target..."
Any moving car becomes a target as Israelis turn the screw tactics get tougher
When Zein Zabad made it to the hospital on the outskirts of the southern Lebanese city of Tyre, he thought that he and his family were safe. An Israeli helicopter pilot thought otherwise
All along the coast road were bombed-out civilian cars hit by Israeli forces
The Israeli army has said that its operations are directed only at Hizbollah terrorists, but it is hard to see how this claim squares with a missile attack on a civilian car near a clearly marked hospital.
Now it appears that any vehicle - although almost all are probably used by civilians to flee - is a military target.
And this is from the right-wing press.

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U can call me Cookie
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Message 71 of 300 (334808)
07-24-2006 10:53 AM
Reply to: Message 70 by PaulK
07-24-2006 7:02 AM


Re: "Any moving car becomes a target..."
A "researcher" from the from some Zionist association in SA was interviewed on one of our breakfast shows today.
One of the things mentioned in defence of Israel's tactics was that the Lebanese civilians had been forewarned of strikes, and told to leave.
I thought, OK, that's something....barring the fact that the civilian homes are still going to be destroyed (more than 500 000 displaced).
Then it was revealed that while the civilians had been told to leave, the routes of exit had been destroyed!
Now how is that supposed to work? If Israel places the civilians in a catch-22, they should not expect any kudos for forewarning them.
What i find interesting, is that the main people on here defending Israel's less than ethical tactics, are supposed to be Christian. Does Christianity teach one to throw away all ethics when faced with adversity? Your vehement support of Israel certainly makes me wonder...

"The good Christian should beware the mathematician and all those who make empty prophecies. The danger already exists that the mathematicians have made a covenant with the devil to darken the spirit and to confine man in the bonds of hell." - St. Augustine

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Nighttrain
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Posts: 1512
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Joined: 06-08-2004


Message 72 of 300 (334980)
07-24-2006 6:57 PM


The more things change, the more----
Sixty years ago, the King David Hotel in Jerusalem was bombed by Irgun 'terrorists' led by Begin, reputedly on orders from Haganah. 91 people of various races were killed.
The Stern gang kidnapped and killed two British soldiers. Apparently, the legitimacy of your actions depends on whether you achieve power in government. Maybe there`s hope for Hamas yet.

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arachnophilia
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Message 73 of 300 (334990)
07-24-2006 8:12 PM
Reply to: Message 72 by Nighttrain
07-24-2006 6:57 PM


Re: The more things change, the more----
(psst. hamas is the legitimate and elected government of palestine.)

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Nighttrain
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Posts: 1512
From: brisbane,australia
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Message 74 of 300 (335012)
07-24-2006 9:31 PM
Reply to: Message 73 by arachnophilia
07-24-2006 8:12 PM


Re: The more things change, the more----
I know, Arach, but their image hasn`t changed---------yet.
Maybe it takes a decade to reach the moral high ground?
Edited by Nighttrain, : Added an afterthought

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macaroniandcheese 
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Message 75 of 300 (335021)
07-24-2006 9:53 PM
Reply to: Message 71 by U can call me Cookie
07-24-2006 10:53 AM


Re: "Any moving car becomes a target..."
One of the things mentioned in defence of Israel's tactics was that the Lebanese civilians had been forewarned of strikes, and told to leave.
the first draft of the genocide conventions (and i believe the better) included forced move in it's definition.
quote:
3. [Cultural genocide] Destroying the specific characteristics of the group by:
(a) forcible transfer of children to another human group; or
(b) forced and systematic exile of individuals representing the culture of a group; or
(c) prohibition of the use of the national language even in private intercourse; or
(d) systematic destruction of books printed in the national language or of religious works or prohibition of new publications; or
(e) systematic destruction of historical or religious monuments or their diversion to alien uses, destruction or dispersion of documents and objects of historical, artistic, or religious value and of objects used in religious worship.

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