Animals cannot breed humans

Sorry, but it is simply a fact that no species can produce offspring of a different species with whom it cannot breed. This is an elementary principle of biology that evolutionists either do not understand or lie about. It's one or the other. And calling a human an ape or a primate can never change the fact that humans and primates cannot interbreed. Therefore, it is impossible for humans to be descendants of apes. Absolutely impossible. The theory of evolution is therefore, an embarrassment not only to mankind, but especially to scientists who think they can manipulate the public through ludicrous assertions. But the theory of evolution would make a great sci-fi movie!

This is a subject that has already been addressed a number of times, and there are a number of open threads in which your core point, about interspecies sterility being a barrier to traditional evolutionary models of speciation, could be raised as part of the discussion such as 'When micro = macro' or 'The Chicken And Egg Problem...'.If you still want to start this up as a thread on its own it would be helpful if you could provide some references to support your claims, ideally from the primary literature. I am assuming you wish this to go into a science forum such as 'Biological Evolution'.TTFN,AW

Hello, Carico. I read your propsed topic with interest--however, I am puzzled by why you would suggest that evolutionists would lie.I know that everyone sins and that we are all liars at some point in our lives, but I hardly think that any scientist would knowingly lie about something. What would they have to gain from it?I agree with AdminWounded wholeheartedly concerning your post.The attitude around EvC Forum is controversial, yet we seek to be professional and polite with one another. If there are liars in the room, we do not bash them---we provide evidence to the contrary and
present it professionally and logically.How is Minnesota, by the way? I used to work for Cub Foods---do you have one in your town? Regards, AdminPhat

I don't think the PNT is the place to discuss the topic. Make sure that it is well stated and that the individual is prepared to support and discuss the topic.In this case, it appears that neither applies yet but this still isn't the place to start the discussion.

Do you really need references to know how offspring are produced? Do you think that things happen in nature only because of what people say happens? Or isn't it quite obvious to you by now that descendants are produced within their own species? If not, then I will explain the birds and the bees to you.Offspring are a direct result of the mating between their parents. And since apes (or primates)and humans cannot interbreed, then it is absolutely impossible for a human being to be the result of a primate and a human or 2 primates. I would suggest that instead of reading books, you would observe how animals mate and what kind of offspring they produce together and you would learn a great deal more about reproduction and descendants than simply believing someone who has agreed with his teacher enough to earn a degree. Otherwise, you can be very easily fooled by anyone with a degree, my friend.This message has been edited by Carico, 12-07-2005 09:16 AM

This is not the venue for you to propound or discuss your ideas.Your OP makes a number of claims which are not addressed by observation of the 'obvious'. If you don't have any familiarity with the scientific literature on cross species hybridisation or speciation that is not a problem. I would however ask you to ask this on one of the threads I already linked to. There is not enough in your OP as it stands to merit a thread of its own nor is the tone suitable for a scientific discussion.TTFN,AW

Sorry, but there is a natural sperm barrier between apes and humans that I'm surprised you don't know, which again makes it impossible for humans and apes to interbreed. But of course if man interferes with nature and clones offspring, then anything's possible, although I doubt even then, that he can create an offspring from an ape and a human. But you forget that man wasn't around before apes created him to do that. Therefore, it's a waste of time to go onto more complex postulations of evolution when the premise itself is faulty. But it reminds me a lot of "Lord Of The Rings." The whole story follows the premise exactly. Complex systems of environment and relationships were invented by Tolken that follow the premise. But since the premise is fictional, then so is the whole story. Therefore, evolutionists should focus on the impossibility of their premise before postulating further theories which can only be as valid as the premise. Examining too many trees obscures the forest completely, my friend.This message has been edited by Carico, 12-07-2005 12:07 PMThis message has been edited by Carico, 12-07-2005 12:09 PMThis message has been edited by Carico, 12-07-2005 12:12 PM

This is not the place to try to support your position. It is not a debating thread. This is where YOU need to work to try to put something togther that is suitable for promotion as the beginning of a discussion.So far, all you've done is sermonize.Take the time to edit your original post. Put it in some order where you present one idea, with some minimal links to support your position if needed. Then, add a reply and we will once again take a look at the original post as the basis for a discussion.

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You don't seem to understand the nature of the Proposed New Topics forum.Forum members post potential opening posts for new threads here. These are then vetted by the admins. They are judged for which forum they will be most suitable for and for their general quality and likelihood to produce constructive debate.This forum is not for you to make arguments in. If you are not prepared to revise your OP to substantiate some of its claims then I will close this thread down. If you wish to persist with this topic please either raise it in the appropriate threads I have provided links to or resubmit the topic with a substantially rewritten OP which both supports its claims and meets the standards of courtesy people should be allowed to expect.TTFN,AWThis message has been edited by AdminWounded, 07-Dec-2005 05:25 PM

I tried to post it in other categories but it always led me here. So how do I post it in another category?

Don't post it as a new thread. Just go to one of the existing threads such as 'From chimp to man: it's as easy as 1, 2, 3!', 'When micro = macro' or 'The Chicken And Egg Problem...'. Then click on General Reply and ask your question.All three of those threads deal with some aspect of your post, please have a look through them and choose the one you consider most relevant to post to.As I have said before, if you wish this OP to be the basis of a thread in its own right you will need to substantially revise it.Hmm, I see that you have in fact already raised substantially the same question in the 'From chimp to man: it's as easy as 1, 2, 3!' thread. Why not simply pursue the question in that thread?TTFN,AW

Carico appears to have taken this line of questioning to the 'From chimp to man: it's as easy as 1, 2, 3!' thread, so this is rejected as a new thread.TTFN,AW