Israel/Lebanon/Gaza conflict (continuation thread)

Fair enough buz - I apologise if I've come across as losing my cool.Let's get back to basics on this.Can you provide any evidence that the attack on the convoy was as a result of a specific rocket launch?Your International Herald Times article does not suggest in any way that it was. The relevant quote says (bolding mine): They are saying the general area around where the attack on the convoy happened was a target zone because Hezbollah had previously launched missiles from there, that's all. This is the whole point - there was no terrorist missile.Also all the reports I've been able to track down that give specifics about the attack say it was an airstrike that hit the convoy (i.e. from an Israeli plane). Look at the Israeli videos of airstrikes on launchers - they are not backtracking the missile, they are guided in by a human looking at the target. However, that is academic because there was no missile fired.It seems likely that because the convoy contained a small truck the Israelis decided it could possibly be a launcher and that was enough to destroy it, even though they knew there were civilians on the road (since they had ordered them out of the village).I posted a few messages ago that in the last few days Israel has been dropping leaflets warning that anything they think looks like it might be a launcher (i.e. a small truck or van) is a valid target as far as they are concerned. This is simply conformation of the policy they seem to have been following from the start.As further confirmation of this I also posted a quote from a worker for the aid charity Oxfam in Message 33: Note the phrase "If anything even vaguely resembles a rocket launcher, it will be hit".

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Oops! Wrong Planet

That is a very damning indictment of Israel if true. No buz, that is not true.If you wish to discuss missle vs missle (which will likely turn quickly into 'spy vs spy' then you really need to learn a little about the capabilities and tactics of the various missles and peoples.I will be happy to try discussing that with you if you wish, either here or in another thread.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

somehow that translates to trucks full of hummus and antibiotics.

No. It's indicative that like Hezbollah, Israelis are limited intelligent immortals. The difference is that Israel has hi tech which both detects the area of enemy fire beyond human vision and hi tech pin point ability to respond to the attack, pinpointing the exact lauch position with responding rockets. This thread topic is a continuation of whether Israel is committing atrocities. I don't see a brief explanation of your position as off topic to this topic since it has to do with whether Israel's action is to be considered as an atrocity. So briefly, do or do not Israel's rockets have the ability to seek and pinpoint enemy launch targets? If not, please provide documenting support for your claim.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28

How about you provide the support that the rocket can seek out and pinpoint launch sites. Counter-battery radar does exist, but I know of no rocket that independently seeks out and "pinpoints" artillery sites.

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Just a monkey in a long line of kings.
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist!
*not an actual doctor

How many times do I need to post this evidence and explain Israeli hi tech which pinpoints within the target area the exact launch spot? Before you acknowledge or refute it, Mangy, this debate is going nowhere. Please go back and reread me carefully, refuting any specifics with specifics you may have for refutation. Not Found - The New York Times.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28

What I'm going by is retired colonels and generals whom Fox News frequently interviews; folks who should know. They have on occasion noted the difference in the hi tech rockets of Israel and of Hezbollah's relatively primitive rockets. They say stuff like Hezbollah launches the attack and runs like hell before the Israeli response comes back.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28

And where in there does it say that: To clear up your misconception, counter-battery radar (which has been around for decades and isn't exactly hi-tech) can spot incoming rounds, determine their launch position (but not "pin-point") and send the co-ordinates to an artillery battery who will fire in repsonse all before the incoming round hits. This is not the same as:

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Just a monkey in a long line of kings.
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist!
*not an actual doctor

According to Fox's mitilary experts there was a time when this was true but they have been upgraded to be launched from motor vehicles. Anyone who's followed the news fairly closely has seen rocket launchers on pickup trucks et al on occasion in less advanced militias. Perhaps the katayusha requires a heavier motorized vehicle like a ton or ton and a half outfit. I'm not sure.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28

Who sent suicide bombers to kill innocent children in Israel? How long has this been going on? All that we did was to persuade Israel to give away their land for PEACE. When the lands which they had for centuries had been given away, there was more violence and hatred. All the The enemies of Israel want is to destroy Israel. After all the suicide bombings, Israel determined to build a wall. It was done. But, violence never ended. All we see is more and more violence against Israel. The Iranian Hitler even pronounced that he will wipe out Israel from the face of the earth. All that Israel is doing is to protect its civilians in Haifa from being bombed by the Hezbollah terrorists. What would you do if you were a Jew in Israel?Edited by inkorrekt, : Spelling errors

Call for the resignation of my government

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Just a monkey in a long line of kings.
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist!
*not an actual doctor

Buz, you just keep making things worse for the Israelis. Directing responding fire at the location where rockets were, but are no longer, is simply terrorism. There is no other way to describe it. No they don't, and TTBOMK no Nation's missles have that capability and to do so would be futile in most cases. Stupid in many cases.Detection equipment can calculate back the trajectory of a missle or shell and give you an idea (with varying degrees of accuracy) of the point of origin. But in these cases such a capability is useless. The rocket being fired at Israel are from mobile, very mobile launchers. The vast majority of them are short range ones that are set up, fired by a timing device, and the people that launch them have left even before the rocket fires.When Israel fires at the location where a rocket was launched they can ONLY be fireing at Civilians, the folk that fired teh rocket are long gone.Second, stop and think about what you said. You are claiming that a rocket can target the location where the other rocket was fired from. In most cases that would be really silly. In the case of ground supression, what was targeted was not the launch facility but the radar that aimed it. In tank-tank warfare what is targeted is the other tank. In artillery-artillery barage, what is targeted is the other artillery.In the situation in Lebanon, none of those situations apply. Hezbollah has no radar or guidance systems. Missles are launched often after the Hezbollah fighters have left the area. The shorthest ranged missles, the Katushias are near impossible to trace. They are low flying and short ranged weapons with a flight time too short to be detected or calculated.I'm sorry Buz, but the more you try to defend what is happening the more you make Israel look like the terrorist.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

1. The launchers flee the launch site as soon as their rocket is launched as the newsmen and military experts are reporting, but I concede that until I can come up with more substantial evidence, I may be overstating that the rocket is smart enough to pinpoint the exact spot from which the rocked was launched within a given area.2. Our missile tech is shared with Israel to a great extent. Our pilots allegedly can direct a rocket into any given window of any structure according to newscasts but that's not quite the same.

As usual either Fox news is lying or you misinterpret what is said.The smaller rockets can be carried in a car. They are not launched from a car. They can be carried and launched from a flatbed truck. But guess what Buz, the truck then drives away. By the time that Israel returns fire there is nobody there but Civilians.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

So you're denying that the rocket launchers flee the rocket launch site after launch as is being reported on Fox News by military experts? If so can you provide doumented support for your position?