objective/subjective morals/conscience?

All humans have the potential to be God's children. To be a child of God, one must be "born again" as Jesus explained in John 3:3-7,3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God."
4 Nicodemus said to Him, "How can a man be born when he is old? He cannot enter a second time into his mother's womb and be born, can he?"
5 Jesus answered, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
6 "That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7 "Do not be amazed that I said to you, `You must be born again.'Those humans who are "born again" become children of God able to hear the voice of Jesus and follow Him. The Lord may tell His children to feed the needy one day, and help the sick another day. But I've learned that when I obey His first instructions, then He gives me more instructions, not confuse me with new instructions when I haven't obeyed His first insructions.Trust and obey, there's no other way, to be happy in Jesus, but to trust and obey.John 6:28 Therefore they said to Him, "What shall we do, so that we may work the works of God?"
29 Jesus answered and said to them, "This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent."What is dangerous is to "not trust" in Him whom God as sent.Blessings

Ok, thanks for clearing that up, would you now mind to actually answer my question to you, the one you skipped with this post? Here it is again to remind you: Thanks in advance.

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If you could understand the English language and the spiritual language that comes from talking with Jesus, you would know that I answered your question.But since you can't, "The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned." (1 Cor 2:14)

Umm, no you didn't. I think you are foolish. So I guess you're from the devil. See where this get's us.John 10:10, answer Huntards' question and stop with the circular reasoning, flipent remarks. Using logic and honesty will help us understanding your message and treat you seriously.

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For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring.
Dr. Carl Sagan

I can understand English perfectly well thank you very much. But you didn't answer my question.An answer to my question would take the form of the following sentence:"I chose to do (this or that action) because (the reasons why you chose it)"Since nothing even remotely resembling that is to be found in your replies, you haven't answered my question.Thanks to DA for pointing this out also.Here's the question again, notice the implications of not answering the question: Thanks in advance, again.

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You, and others at this forum, may and probably do hear different voices telling you you do different things at the same time. Posing this delimma as proof that one cannot tell if God is speaking to you is pure foolishness. When one has not done the work that God commanded us to do in John 6:28-29, then one cannot even hear the voice of God.Those who belong to the Lord Jesus Christ, hear His voice, and follow Him DO NOT hear different voices telling us to do different things at the same time.It's as simple and as difficult at that.

Actually, I hear NO voices in my head, unless it's me talking to myself. I did not post this dilemma as for that, I posted it because I want to know how you determine if it is actually god speaking to you. But when one has, how does one determine if it is the voice of god? Really? So the devil doesn't speak to people?But, as I'm sure many people have noticed, you still didn't answer the question, so I'll repeat it once more, in the hopes that you'll get that it's a hypothetical question, and no matter what answer you give, it can't be wrong if it is supported by sound reasoning. Notice that so far, you haven't answered it, and, following logic, you therefore will listen to anything this voice commands you to do. Very dangerous if you ask me.I'll await youra answer, and thank you, once more, in advance.

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The voice of God speaking is in line with the character, Person and words of the Lord Jesus Christ as revealed in the Bible (John 1:14). Yes he does, trying to convince everyone he can that Jesus is not Lord, and that you should not believe in Him. You will just have to keep waiting.If you could hear the voice of Jesus speaking to His children as He declares in John 10:27, you wouldn't be posing these foolish questions, trying to put Jesus' children into a moral delimma that Jesus does not create for His children.

Ok. Ok. Ok. Seeing as you apparently CAN'T answer my question, I'm labelling you a dangerous person who'd act on any voice in your head if that voice is asking him to do what he thinks Jesus would do. It doesn't matter if Jesus actually would do this, as long as you think he would, you'd do it. I'm not hearing any voices, that's why I am asking you to provide a way to tell how to determine it is the voice of god you are hearing, in case I would be hearing voices all of a sudden and have to determine it for myself. Seeing you can't point to a way, I hope never to hear any voices, it would be very dangerous. Further I'm not trying to put you in a moral dilemma, I want to understand how you determine that it is actually god speaking to you.Really John, the fact you can't even answer a question pertaining a hypothetical situation is not doing you a favour in this discussion at all, you'll have everybody thinking you are a dangerous person who acts on any voice who orders him to stuff he thinks Jesus would do. I hope for the people around you that you'll never get it into your head it's ok to hurt them, because some sort of outside source (knock on the head, chemicals) have convinced you this is what Jesus would do.

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Can we try a new subtitle out? The current one is getting all worn out and irrelevant. Thanks.Edited by AdminModulous, : adding a space between words that got lost somewhere

If you have read the Bible long enough and far enough, and have not become convinced that the Bible is true and explains God's plan of salvation for man in Christ Jesus, then you must be fully convinced there is no God and have no need for Him to save you from your sins.It's interesting a few replys back you asked, It seems you believe more in the devil who does speak to people than in God who doesn't.I can't help you with this delimma.BlessingsEdited by John 10:10, : spelling errorEdited by AdminModulous, : changed subtitle

Hi John,

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If you have read the Bible long enough and far enough, and have not become convinced that the Bible is true and explains God's plan of salvation for man in Christ Jesus, then you must be fully convinced there is no God and have no need for Him to save you from your sins.

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Or you could be a Jew, or a Muslim, or a Hindu, or...Your faith isn't the only one on Earth you know and not everyone who reads the Bible and remains unconvinced is an atheist (if only ).Mutate and Survive

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"The Bible is like a person, and if you torture it long enough, you can get it to say almost anything you'd like it to say." -- Rev. Dr. Francis H. Wade

If you have read the Bible long enough and far enough, and have not become convinced that the Bible is true and explains God's plan of salvation for man in Christ Jesus, then you must be fully convinced there is no God and have no need for Him to save you from your sins. Very true, but I was speaking Huntard who said he is an athiest. Everyone has some sort of belief system, athiest or not. I was explaining how one comes to know the God of the OT & NT Bible. The God of the Bible says He will reveal Himself to those who honestly seek Him through the Person of the Lord Jesus Christ.Blessings.

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Very true, but I was speaking Huntard who said he is an athiest.

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Fair enough. So long as we both agree that atheism is usually based on more than just a lack of belief in the Bible.

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The God of the Bible says He will reveal Himself to those who honestly seek Him through the Person of the Lord Jesus Christ.

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It also says that Satan works "with all power and signs and lying wonders", so what makes you think that you are immune to his influence? One can't help but imagine "all power" would include the power to delude you.Mutate and Survive

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"The Bible is like a person, and if you torture it long enough, you can get it to say almost anything you'd like it to say." -- Rev. Dr. Francis H. Wade

It seems you have more faith in Satan who deceives than in the Lord Jesus Christ who doesn't. Blessings