Consciousness and Dreams

Possible evidence that our minds exist in another demension. Over 1/3 the bible is dreams and visions. Many people believe that God can speak to you in your dreams.
http://www.streamsministries.com
Is a web-site that will interpret your dreams. I am not sure if I totally believe in this, but I have seen some cool things.There are dream courses you can take. Some of my friends have ministries that go around the world doing this. I have started taking the courses, and I find it very interesting.

I suppose this is where I was headed with this thread. It seems to me that it is evidence, (in spite of what crash says ) that we have life outside of the physical existance that we know. I don't agree with the idea that what we see in our dreams is strictly based on memory. For one thing I have dreams about things that are outside of my life experience, but I do agree that the majority of dreams are drawn in a large part from experience.I contend that what I see in my dreams is much more like what I actually see with my eyes when I'm fully conscious, than what I am able to visualize in my mind. I suggest that it is another indication that there is a separation between our brain and our consciousness and that only the brain is physical.

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Everybody is entitled to my opinion.

Many thanks for digging up those interesting research reports.I think you would have to agree that they are ambiguous, and thus the issue is not yet fully settled.The last sentence in tbe Vertes & Eastman article says I see that as consistent with what I suggested in Message 27. I would expect it to show up mainly in the learned tasks, and in skills involving coordination.In any case, I agree that the role of sleep is far from settled.

I have always thought that our minds exist in another demension.I can picture in my head images of the past, just like I do when I am dreaming.I once was given a vision of the future.Are our minds nothing more than a comunication device? There are electrical currents, and "brain waves". Maybe they don't eminate outside your head, but maybe they don't have to, to access another demension.I know it's only subjective, but it's fun to think about.

Oh yeah, without doubt there is much to learn about sleep.But there is certainly no conclusive evidence that REM is important for cognition but NREM is known to be. However, it does seem to persist that REM is essential for behavior/cognition even though this is not clear in the literature.

Have not read those books, but I have read some of Brian Lumleys Mythos stories in the Dreamland. I still have vivid dreams but have not lucid dreamed since I was in my early twenties. My dreams now resemble dis-jointed films. I have lost count of the times I have been mixed up with Romero zombies, Aliens, and the odd Predator. Things I see on screen always pop up in my dreams.

Could you get you dream 'quotient' via hypnogogic hallucinations? I always find if I sleep deeply I wake up with a real monk-on. Where as if I doze in and out for a while and experience hypnogogic hallucinations I feal really rested. Can't back that up with evidence though

I tend to agree with your testing/realignment hyp. My information is prolly 10 years out of date but I always liked the 'dreams as reordering of information' idea.

The links you posted were really informative; gives me something to think about.....will get back to you.

"Possible evidence that our minds exist in another demension." - RiverRatOr that the actuality of non-physical dimensions exist only in our mind. Our dream are not accurate reflections of the real world so why should we imagine this inaccurate relection has any reality.Not wanting to go to far off topic I think it is fair to say that if 1/3 of the bible is dreams and vision, 1/3 of the bible if fundementally flawed.

"Are our minds nothing more than a comunication device? There are electrical currents, and "brain waves". Maybe they don't eminate outside your head, but maybe they don't have to, to access another demension." - RiverRatOnly insofar as the electrical currents from any machine access another dimension. If however you mean can we recieve information from the other dimension in the form of dreams I would say that if some agency were trying to contact us via our minds ability to intercept and interpret these signals they are doing a very poor job of it.Serously, that sounds like ideas of reference.

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For one thing I have dreams about things that are outside of my life experience

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I have dreamed and thought of lots of things that are outside of my life experience. I once dreamed that I was making love to George Clooney (that was awesome).It's called "imagination", or perhaps, "creativity". (Or wishful thinking?)

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I don't agree with the idea that what we see in our dreams is strictly based on memory.

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Well, our memories are not strictly based upon reality.Memory is a reconstruction of events that your brain does for you, and it's normal for details to get omitted, or filled in.That's how we know that physical evidence should trump eyewitness testimony during trials. People remember stuff wrong, all the time, for all sorts of reasons.

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I contend that what I see in my dreams is much more like what I actually see with my eyes when I'm fully conscious, than what I am able to visualize in my mind.

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What you see when you are fully conscious is only your perception of reality. Your brain still has to interpret what your eyes and optic nerves are sending it.Again, that's why, when there are a bunch of eyewitnesses of some event, you will not get all of them giving perfectly identical reports of the details of what happened. In fact, many important details can be completely unattended to, or other details can be wholly invented by the brain.

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I suggest that it is another indication that there is a separation between our brain and our consciousness and that only the brain is physical.

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I think you would be well-served by doing some reading on memory.I suggest starting with Elizabeth Loftus' work.This message has been edited by schrafinator, 02-22-2006 06:01 PM

You have to back up your assertions around here,unless they are just your opinion, then we can choose to dismiss it.YOu dream, are you fundementally flawed?

Or maybe you just don't understand it. It may in fact be perfect. You don't learn how to play chess well, in a day.

I don't disagree with your comments on memory. I also agree that the majority of our dreams are based on memory, flawed or otherwise.My memory is fully active when I'm conscious but when I close my eyes I cannot clearly visualize in the same way that I can when I'm dreaming. In my dreams I have vision that is comparable to what I have when I'm conscious with my eyes open.It just seems to me that my consciousness has vision that isn't dependent on the physical even though the source of what I see is based largely on memory and imagination.

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Everybody is entitled to my opinion.